National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion (and now ICE)

[757]

I like the allusion of a panther in a china shop- you can still knock stuff over and break stuff, just not everything.

Disagrees, in Panzer.

 

[Blizzard]

So, exactly who is being asked to "show their papers" and what exactly are the circumstances?

Again, I hear a lot of hyperbole around this point but I've seen exactly zero evidence of this actually occurring. Every incident I've seen cited was a targeted apprehension or of someone that has directly interfered in a situation. As I said before, if someone has evidence to the contrary, please share.

Now, as to whether an administrative warrant is sufficient or a signed judge's warrant is required, that's a different question. I'm no legal scholar, so I have no idea, but I'm sure courts will be asked to weigh-in soon enough. Each side will bring arguments to their favorite judge and claim validation. There does some to be nuance here in that the cases have already gone through that previous due diligence and agents are executing final deportation orders.

It is slippery slope though. As @Ooh-Rah said earlier, will it be used to further trample on 2A?

 

[BlackSmokeRisinG]

2A has already been trampled on by conservative administrations, don't need to worry about what the left will do. "They" will use any excuse imaginable when the time comes.

My guns were bought in face to face purchases.

 

[amlove21]

Even if it is true it’s not gonna convince those who support ICE to stop supporting them. I believe nothing will in fact do that.

The inverse is also true. Even after being presented with the truth, the false narrative and resistance will continue.

 

[amlove21]

So, exactly who is being asked to "show their papers" and what exactly are the circumstances?

Again, I hear a lot of hyperbole around this point but I've seen exactly zero evidence of this actually occurring. Every incident I've seen cited was a targeted apprehension or of someone that has directly interfered in a situation. As I said before, if someone has evidence to the contrary, please share.

Now, as to whether an administrative warrant is sufficient or a signed judge's warrant is required, that's a different question. I'm no legal scholar, so I have no idea, but I'm sure courts will be asked to weigh-in soon enough. Each side will bring arguments to their favorite judge and claim validation. There does some to be nuance here in that the cases have already gone through that previous due diligence and agents are executing final deportation orders.

It is slippery slope though. As @Ooh-Rah said earlier, will it be used to further trample on 2A?

Are you asking for sources? Racist. Cancelled.

 

[The Quartermaster]

The inverse is also true. Even after being presented with the truth, the false narrative and resistance will continue.

The fact that there is zero mea culpa's being done here to admit that they were being lied to, gives truth to this sad fact.

 

[The Quartermaster]

Political theater. Dems are just pushing falsities ahead of the election. Hakeem Jefferies keeps referring to ICE as "out of control and terrorizing the American people."

I like how we're being told that it could happen to us, when none of us that are laughing at her death was ever going to be doing the things she had done that led up to her FAFO part.

I also like how we're also being told that our silence is violence and that by not falling in like with them we are in supporting evil.

Um, evil is what people who gaslight do, not the other way around. And they are using said fallacies to do it with.

 

[amlove21]

The fact that there is zero mea culpa's being done here to admit that they were being lied to, gives truth to this sad fact.

"How easy is it to make people believe a lie, and how hard it is to undo that work again!"- Mark Twain

 

[ThunderHorse]

"How easy is it to make people believe a lie, and how hard it is to undo that work again!"- Mark Twain

Even when you provide sources to disprove the line and people still believe the lie.

 

[Topkick]

Even when you provide sources to disprove the line and people still believe the lie.

It's required to stay in the flock. Doesn't mean they actually believe it.

 

[Marauder06]

It's required to stay in the flock. Doesn't mean they actually believe it.

They believe it.

They WANT to believe it. They HAVE to believe it. They have to because they have allowed their ideology to become their identity. That's why they're all so vicious, and vacuous, at the same time.

 

[Topkick]

They believe it.

They WANT to believe it. They HAVE to believe it. They have to because they have allowed their ideology to become their identity. That's why they're all so vicious, and vacuous, at the same time.

Insecure people thrive off of external validation. They say and do whatever they think will provide it. I think today, unfortunately, we have a lot of people searching for validation.

 

[Blizzard]

This topic, human trafficking, is the most under-reported and critical aspects to the border patrol and ICE mission. This is a primary reason why illegal immigration is so problematic.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2014733347226791975

January is human trafficking awareness month. I wasn't aware of this (and I have a strong interest in the topic) until I saw this notated on my recommended movies/shows during a recent Delta flight. Is anyone else talking about it? Maybe it just got lost because of all the other "(fill in the blank____) Awareness/Appreciation Month" nonsense.

The subject of human trafficking gets a fair amount of lip service; see Epstein. But, the subject goes far beyond sex-trafficking and that's the part many people aren't aware of. This is because the mainstream media seems reluctant to report on it.

If you believe human trafficking is a problem and you believe action should be taken, how can you seriously oppose the ICE objective? The media is allowing/aiding the radical left in their attempt to control the narrative by failing to report on this.

 

[The Quartermaster]

It's required to stay in the flock. Doesn't mean they actually believe it.

Ugh, they will still believe their lies because it's a loyalty to an ideology than to the nation itself. Take away their core beliefs that they were the good guys fighting and resisting evil and they will fall into despair and mentally breakdown. We've already seen what these people will do when they get their temper tantrums, just imagine what they'd now do from spite to take as much of us with them as possible?

They seriously need help, real professional help and help that doesn't coddles or enabler of it either.

 

[Cookie_]

General meme of the discussion the past 20 odd posts.

 

[Blizzard]

Seriously?!

This was a raid targeting two Hmong pedophiles, one of whom reportedly resided at that home. Agents were there executing on final deportation orders. The man in the pic, ChongLy Thao, met the description of one of the targets, but refused to ID himself. He was held ~1 hour, then released without charges after his ID was finally confirmed.

No one is randomly going door to door pulling people from their homes.

Stop spreading this absolute nonsense.

OK...and now for the rest of the story:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2014689581803667884

 

[Florida173]

OK...and now for the rest of the story:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2014689581803667884

So that's kinda the point, right? MN LEOs aren't working with the Feds to apprehend these criminals. That poor old crusty guy being dragged out of his home for not ID'ing could have had his hour back.

 

[Ranger Psych]

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General meme of the discussion the past 20 odd posts.

I mean, everyone's entitled to their opinion but said opinion will stand on it's own merit and if someone isn't willing to change their position when shown fact and reason, then they are to be mocked with disdain and otherwise disregarded at every opportunity.

 

[TLDR20]

Sometimes I wonder if any of you have ever talked to a real liberal person. Not some blue haired they/them homo, but a normal person who is left leaning. Im not the fucking boogeyman, I’m just a guy who has slightly different views of what Makes America Great.

Unlike most of this board apparently I do not make politics my entire personality. Most people who know me, assume I’m conservative. I have a fantastic job, have a single nuclear family going on 15 years, and all my donations are to veterans charities. I’m a 6’2 200lb blue eyed blond haired former SF guy, who most people assume is a LEO. They assume I’m conservative because I talk about politics outside of this forum fucking zero, talk about guns, shooting, exercising, and I’m a veteran. At this point it is more fun to rile up a bunch of boomers and @amlove21 than it is to just ignore everything.


My politics are if anything more libertarian than they are liberal. I have always thought the government had no business in marriage, how people identified or if they wanted to smoke pot Similarly I think that people should be able to own firearms outside of demonstrated criminal propensity for violence. Somehow today that makes me some fucking liberal who wants to Molotov maga, which it isn’t. I say something like “I don’t care how people in NYC vote” because I fucking do NOT, and now I don’t have any principals? Cool. Whatever. I haven’t posted since October, and you know what this place is? A fucking echo chamber.

@amlove21 I’ve been around long enough to know for a fact that your opinions and politics have changed significantly more than mine. That you think it is some kind of moral high ground to stand on because you are so strongly convicted now is comical to me. I have changed my priorities as you have, but to think I am some radical while you and I were basically the same in 2016 is comical. I do respect your excellent rhetorical skills and the fact that you aren’t a passive aggressive retard in your posts. You call it like it is, that is to be respected. But I also know that you openly had very different views in your past. I honestly cannot debate you, you are better at it. Period. I will always lose a rhetorical argument with you. That will never change, but I did like it better when we were on the same side.

The bottom line is not one person here is going to change their minds on anything. You can be shown a memo saying explicitly that members of the federal government will come into your home without a warrant, and be like “that’s cool”. We differ fundamentally, and I remember when being conservative had a lot to do with telling the feds to fuck off.

Now I’m off back to work so I can hopefully pay for another hellfire on the 40% of my income that goes to fund dumb ass shit.

 

[Jaknight]

Ugh, they will still believe their lies because it's a loyalty to an ideology than to the nation itself. Take away their core beliefs that they were the good guys fighting and resisting evil and they will fall into despair and mentally breakdown. We've already seen what these people will do when they get their temper tantrums, just imagine what they'd now do from spite to take as much of us with them as possible?

They seriously need help, real professional help and help that doesn't coddles or enabler of it either.

They think the same about the other side.