National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion (and now ICE)

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General meme of the discussion the past 20 odd posts.
I mean, everyone's entitled to their opinion but said opinion will stand on it's own merit and if someone isn't willing to change their position when shown fact and reason, then they are to be mocked with disdain and otherwise disregarded at every opportunity.
 
Sometimes I wonder if any of you have ever talked to a real liberal person. Not some blue haired they/them homo, but a normal person who is left leaning. Im not the fucking boogeyman, I’m just a guy who has slightly different views of what Makes America Great.

Unlike most of this board apparently I do not make politics my entire personality. Most people who know me, assume I’m conservative. I have a fantastic job, have a single nuclear family going on 15 years, and all my donations are to veterans charities. I’m a 6’2 200lb blue eyed blond haired former SF guy, who most people assume is a LEO. They assume I’m conservative because I talk about politics outside of this forum fucking zero, talk about guns, shooting, exercising, and I’m a veteran. At this point it is more fun to rile up a bunch of boomers and @amlove21 than it is to just ignore everything.


My politics are if anything more libertarian than they are liberal. I have always thought the government had no business in marriage, how people identified or if they wanted to smoke pot Similarly I think that people should be able to own firearms outside of demonstrated criminal propensity for violence. Somehow today that makes me some fucking liberal who wants to Molotov maga, which it isn’t. I say something like “I don’t care how people in NYC vote” because I fucking do NOT, and now I don’t have any principals? Cool. Whatever. I haven’t posted since October, and you know what this place is? A fucking echo chamber.

@amlove21 I’ve been around long enough to know for a fact that your opinions and politics have changed significantly more than mine. That you think it is some kind of moral high ground to stand on because you are so strongly convicted now is comical to me. I have changed my priorities as you have, but to think I am some radical while you and I were basically the same in 2016 is comical. I do respect your excellent rhetorical skills and the fact that you aren’t a passive aggressive retard in your posts. You call it like it is, that is to be respected. But I also know that you openly had very different views in your past. I honestly cannot debate you, you are better at it. Period. I will always lose a rhetorical argument with you. That will never change, but I did like it better when we were on the same side.

The bottom line is not one person here is going to change their minds on anything. You can be shown a memo saying explicitly that members of the federal government will come into your home without a warrant, and be like “that’s cool”. We differ fundamentally, and I remember when being conservative had a lot to do with telling the feds to fuck off.

Now I’m off back to work so I can hopefully pay for another hellfire on the 40% of my income that goes to fund dumb ass shit.
 
Ugh, they will still believe their lies because it's a loyalty to an ideology than to the nation itself. Take away their core beliefs that they were the good guys fighting and resisting evil and they will fall into despair and mentally breakdown. We've already seen what these people will do when they get their temper tantrums, just imagine what they'd now do from spite to take as much of us with them as possible?

They seriously need help, real professional help and help that doesn't coddles or enabler of it either.
They think the same about the other side.
 
The only people I know who make politics their whole personality are liberals, there were people who came to our wedding that are VERY liberal. We have never spoken about our politics with them, ever, they declined invites to our house on the assumption that we voted for Trump. So, uh, I was called a baby killer as a sophomore in college by a guy who I would have described as my high school best friend.

The only people I know who end friendships of 15 years are liberal. The only place I talk about politics is this board and with my wife, who happens to be conservative.

My actual personality? Bourbon Collector, [slow] runner, and rugby nause.
 
Sometimes I wonder if any of you have ever talked to a real liberal person.

I'm definitely conservative but typically don't have a problem with liberals. I have some liberal views myself, such as with SS and Healthcare. I do have a problem with leftists who know the truth but can't just say the truth because they are afraid of the consequences coming from their own kind. Its weak. This guy is educated, a doctor, and he fucking knows men cannot get pregnant, and a born woman doesn't actually become a man.

WASHINGTON TIMES: Planned Parenthood doctor tells committee that ‘men can have pregnancies, especially trans men’
 
Tonight I’ve received multiple “report post” alerts, along with a message letting me know how poorly I’m doing as a moderator.

I’m one person, and the forum owner entrusted me to keep some order here. That’s what I’m trying to do.

I have a great deal of respect for this community; especially those of you with Green Tags. It’s an honor to be a member here, much less serve in a staff role.

That’s why it’s disappointing to see grown men, officers and enlisted alike, resort to personal attacks, insults and passive-aggressive comments.

Watching former Staff-Admins contributing to this makes it all the more discouraging.

Over politics.

Tearing ourselves apart.

Over politics.

Sleep well, America.
 
Tonight I’ve received multiple “report post” alerts, along with a message letting me know how poorly I’m doing as a moderator.

I’m one person, and the forum owner entrusted me to keep some order here. That’s what I’m trying to do.

I have a great deal of respect for this community; especially those of you with Green Tags. It’s an honor to be a member here, much less serve in a staff role.

That’s why it’s disappointing to see grown men, officers and enlisted alike, resort to personal attacks, insults and passive-aggressive comments.

Watching former Staff-Admins contributing to this makes it all the more discouraging.

Over politics.

Tearing ourselves apart.

Over politics.

Sleep well, America.

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They think the same about the other side.
And there's the actual issue thinking that there's an actual side, a line in the sand deal. But the rub and the kicker? We're all Americans, if your self identity is an ideological one then therein lies the real problem. there should be know lines and we all should be knowing right from wrong.
 
I dunno, why should I openly communicate with persons who have vilified me for calling them out on their temper tantrums?

Does one really think that I am taking kindly to some deviant who sexualized my daughter and nieces back when my facebook was opened to all, just because he didn't like what my message was?

Gee, let me think here...being called a Nazi, and not being a nazi, yet my family were Holocaust survivors and my grandfather was a killer of actual Nazis. Am I supposed to take it and not have feelings for being dehumanized by people using it to attack all because they can't argue a position or they're on a losing one?

But wait, there's moar!

It's swell being called either a racist or a sexist because of gosh darn golly, I called out a person who how they badly acted and not for being their gender or their skin color. Oh yes, I should talk to them with zero hard feelings hm?

They said Brett kavanaugh was acting emotionally upset and yet was exonerated. They were trying to impugned on his integrity and they knew she was lying and still brought her in anyway in hopes to besmirch. I'd be that upset TOO, and I am VERY upset and not going to forgive any of this.

I am not going to talk to them. My terms are not negotiable. They want me to talk to them, then I want mea culpas. I want them to apologize if not for them if they hadn't, then for their kind who have. And they have to be Americans loyal to the nation and not an ideology as their identity and loyalty.
 
Y'all are going to keep on this shit until one day the forum is "Bravo Six, going dark."

I'm telling y'all, one day the owner is going to get tired of his Inbox filling up with your bullshit and pull the plug.

"It won't be because of me, it will be..." Nah, son, it will be you. All of you. Some of you are too stupid, too myopic, too butthurt to see it. You do you and pat yourselves on your back because you were right and "the other guy" was the problem. The other guy was the asshole who brought it all down.
 
On a site that elsewhere, there used to be this thing where people with issues with each other had the options of duking it out with each other and there better be conflict resolution or people were getting put in corners or banned.

Not saying this is what we need, but maybe folks should take it to PM and let themselves sort it out. Or give this place a break.
 
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