National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion (and now ICE)

[The Quartermaster]

Minnesota ‘ICE Watch’ group’s manual showed how to fight arrests and launch ‘a micro-intifada’

perfect.

Editing to add so I don't multimultimultipost: Maybe it's just me, but why does it always feel like it's exterior influences feeding this shit whenever they cater to the idiots with language like this?

Follow up, Stolen Illegal Immigrant Valor is not the bingo ball I expected to hear called today:

He rode a horse to Portland ICE protests claiming to be Mexican. His family says his story isn’t true

It's organized. Doesn't this follow under RICO ACT anyone?

 

[Devildoc]

 

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Bro!!!!

 

[Muppet]

@AWP
@Box

 

[Ooh-Rah]

So we are all cool with this?

Essentially “show me your papers”.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2011102885837246799

 

[The Quartermaster]

I'm not at war with ICE or law enforcement. I never was when the Left was in power, either. And at this point after so much has become known at how this is an organized seditious group that is actively trying to obstruct and terrorize, I no longer care what ICE does because FA? FO.

 

[The Quartermaster]

These liberal, white, women at these things is a byproduct of social media ragebait groups, that have organized into echo chambers of Cluster B type. Add with that a redirect of maternal hardwired instincts, and here we are.

 

[Devildoc]

So we are all cool with this?

Essentially “show me your papers”.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2011102885837246799

While I am a little uncomfortable with it, I think it's one of those things where although it might be legal it doesn't necessarily mean it's the right thing to do.

 

[Kraut783]

So we are all cool with this?

Essentially “show me your papers”.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2011102885837246799

Not really. Any law enforcement can talk to people, but...you can't make them talk to you. Can't demand ID if you don't have probable cause that a crime has been committed, or at the very least, reasonable suspicion.

 

[Stretcher Jockey]

I thought my tinnitus was kicking my ass at the start of the video. Wasn’t until the loudspeaker kicked in I realized it was whistles.

I might be disconnected from a bit of the happenings regarding ICE out there, but are people really following them around with whistles and loudspeakers? Like as a full time job?

 

[Ooh-Rah]

These liberal, white, women at these things is a byproduct of social media ragebait groups, that have organized into echo chambers of Cluster B type. Add with that a redirect of maternal hardwired instincts, and here we are.

Huh?

 

[Ranger Psych]

Not really. Any law enforcement can talk to people, but...you can't make them talk to you. Can't demand ID if you don't have probable cause that a crime has been committed, or at the very least, reasonable suspicion.

Immigration enforcement is *slightly* more open. 8 U.S.C. § 1357 is the spot to reference, and I'm not even freddie the feddie.

Snippet for ease of information sharing:

§1357. Powers of immigration officers and employees​

(a) Powers without warrant​

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Any officer or employee of the Service authorized under regulations prescribed by the Attorney General shall have power without warrant-​

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(1) to interrogate any alien or person believed to be an alien as to his right to be or to remain in the United States;​

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(2) to arrest any alien who in his presence or view is entering or attempting to enter the United States in violation of any law or regulation made in pursuance of law regulating the admission, exclusion, expulsion, or removal of aliens, or to arrest any alien in the United States, if he has reason to believe that the alien so arrested is in the United States in violation of any such law or regulation and is likely to escape before a warrant can be obtained for his arrest, but the alien arrested shall be taken without unnecessary delay for examination before an officer of the Service having authority to examine aliens as to their right to enter or remain in the United States;​

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(3) within a reasonable distance from any external boundary of the United States, to board and search for aliens any vessel within the territorial waters of the United States and any railway car, aircraft, conveyance, or vehicle, and within a distance of twenty-five miles from any such external boundary to have access to private lands, but not dwellings, for the purpose of patrolling the border to prevent the illegal entry of aliens into the United States;​

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(4) to make arrests for felonies which have been committed and which are cognizable under any law of the United States regulating the admission, exclusion, expulsion, or removal of aliens, if he has reason to believe that the person so arrested is guilty of such felony and if there is likelihood of the person escaping before a warrant can be obtained for his arrest, but the person arrested shall be taken without unnecessary delay before the nearest available officer empowered to commit persons charged with offenses against the laws of the United States; and​

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(5) to make arrests-​

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(A) for any offense against the United States, if the offense is committed in the officer's or employee's presence, or​

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(B) for any felony cognizable under the laws of the United States, if the officer or employee has reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be arrested has committed or is committing such a felony, if the officer or employee is performing duties relating to the enforcement of the immigration laws at the time of the arrest and if there is a likelihood of the person escaping before a warrant can be obtained for his arrest.

(key regarding drive baby drive, since TECHNICALLY they had committed multiple infractions for road blockages, misdemeanors for interfering with law enforcement, and once instructed to leave the car by a FLEO and instead dropping it into drive to try to flee were in comission of a felony, nevermind the whole there's a FLEO in front of the vehicle in drive with throttle depressed the driver had made eye contact with before throwing it in drive)​

Now, HAVING SAID THAT... does it mean that you can Ze pApErZ everyone you run up on? I'd vote no, not in my country, but I've also literally had Ze PaPeRz done to me in Thailand and Germany because I was speaking english with my friends at a bus stop. I presented DOD ID (which was my in country ID, no passport required for me at that point) and I was on my way... but yeah, I literally got PAPERS from a Polizei duo.

I do understand the use of it and the potentially articulatible in court component as a combination escalation AND deescalation tactic when you're having some random fuckstick run up on you.

I thought my tinnitus was kicking my ass at the start of the video. Wasn’t until the loudspeaker kicked in I realized it was whistles.

I might be disconnected from a bit of the happenings regarding ICE out there, but are people really following them around with whistles and loudspeakers? Like as a full time job?

I don't know if they're being compensated, but there's people who literally don't have anything better to do than interject themselves into situations they're absolutely not involved in. I don't understand how they can afford to do it other than they're living off of various disabilities etc that doesn't require them to be employed day to day.

 

[amlove21]

I thought my tinnitus was kicking my ass at the start of the video. Wasn’t until the loudspeaker kicked in I realized it was whistles.

I might be disconnected from a bit of the happenings regarding ICE out there, but are people really following them around with whistles and loudspeakers? Like as a full time job?

Yes. And if you believe Joy Reid, it's a deliberate plan to rile up these white women to sacrifice themselves for the overall goal.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2010897748921631141

 

[Blizzard]

So we are all cool with this?

Essentially “show me your papers”.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2011102885837246799

Given the source, I'd be pretty skeptical of anything that reportedly happened or didn't happen. There's a ton of context missing.

The video picks up as the agent is walking over to the person. The weirdo whistle patrol is clearly already in place and worked up. So, what took place prior to this?

It doesn't "feel" like they randomly approached this guy, but we don't know. I certainly don't trust the account as stated by the poster.

 

[amlove21]

People conflate federal immigration and local LEO a lot. Sometimes purposefully, sometimes not.

They don't have to identify themselves. If they are in a neighborhood, and they're looking for illegals... they can ask you to identify yourself. Multiple reasons there; 1, cause you might be illegal. 2, if you're following them and obstructing them, they'll want to know if you're a violent criminal. And 3, if you're the person at the house who is housing, aiding and abetting illegals... that's also a crime.

The more you know.

(SAWSE- @Ranger Psych already did it)

 

[Devildoc]

Yes. And if you believe Joy Reid, it's a deliberate plan to rile up these white women to sacrifice themselves for the overall goal.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2010897748921631141

Reid, AOC, and Crocker, a three-way race to the bottom....

 

[Box]

My initial response to any video I see these days is "where is the rest of the video"

The folks posting video clips of every single cop they encounter in hopes that they can score a viral video makes me not believe any of them.

The idea that SOO many cops tend to reinforce the perception that cops are bullies is hard to resist as well.

I find it easier to just believe that BOTH sides are quite full of shit.

When you gather up kids I went to school with that went on to become cops, neighbors, associates, friends that have KIDS who have become LEA, YEARS of doing bilateral training exchanges with local, state and federal LE while I was in the military, and the simple attitude I've gotten over the years when pulled over for minor traffic violations - I've came to the observable opinion that MOST of the ones I've dealt with are bullies hiding behind their badge.
...and that's ok. It's not illegal to be a bully.

Show me you papers is a HORRID paradigm if you want to pretend you live in a "free" society. The problem is - since BULLIES are the ones most likely to gravitate into that career field, that's who we are stuck with when it comes to enforcing the law.
Power corrupts.
Cops are just people - with a lot of power - and when left unchecked, some of them will become drunk with that power.
Some become corrupted super bullies. C'est la vie.

Admittedly, "I am the law, show me your papers" is every bit as dickish as that little grey haired, mask wearing, vaccine pushing, data tampering, beagle killing, mad scientist covid czar telling us that "he is the science" but thats life in the big city.
I'm constantly telling myself to get over it. Law Enforcement is a hard thankless job where it certainly looks easy to lose yourself.
...but somebody has to do it.

Copping is a shitty job. When you do EVERYTHING right, who fucking cares. Doing it right is your job. Quit bitching.
The instant you panic and shoot an unarmed citizen to death, everyone thinks you are an asshole.

So, what one might ask...
So, my TTP would be to show the bully my fucking ID card, smile, say please and thank you, take down his badge number and get on with my life.
When I get home, file a complaint and play the game on my own terms.
...but then again, I have that white privilege thing to contend with

Otherwise, fuck around with an empowered bully and see what happens next.

Just my two cents.

 

[amlove21]

My initial response to any video I see these days is "where is the rest of the video"
...snip....

Sorry, bro, asking for context makes you racist. Wait- bigoted? Or homophobic... that's not it.

I can't keep up anymore. Anyway, you're a bad person and I get to celebrate when you die now. Thems the rules.

 

[Box]

Context and Nuance are outdated social constructs.

 

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