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Looks bad, but I'll ask the same question..why not just cooperate with LE?
National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion (and now ICE)
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You were able to pick all that out? I'm impressed. Just not clear to but it's instagram and I can't exactly pause and zoom. (Doing it on my computer, no social media on my new phone just yet)
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Those idiots with the whistles, that follow ICE around to obstruct, is making the situations worse than necessary. They are ragebait that enables more ragebait, that eventually the one who becomes uncooperative enraged when confronted and acts on it, and becomes another incident.
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That's a good question, the ERO guy that shot Goode only had a cell phone on his gear, no BWC. Agencies under DOJ require BWCs worn on operations...not sure what DHS policy is. HSI guys that go out with us wear BWC....but that doesn't mean BP or ERO is. I had a buddy go through FLETC for HSI just a month ago....they were so short equipment, for an example...you are supposed to be issued the G19 at FLETC, because they were so short Glocks, they used Sig P320's that they had pulled from the field for training, their G19s are on order.
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I'm thinking maybe the governor and the mayor are obstructing justice and inciting riots.
Go home people, its below 0 degrees in Minnesota.
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Oh there's zero doubt there that they're not enablers, because they are.
This has to be a paid job by someone paying for that, because unless they're all pensioners there is no effing way that all of them can do it all day and night in any weather and still be holding down jobs and bills and rent paid, etc.
Epstein was bad, very very bad yeet into a wood chipper machine bad. But the Soros family!? Yeet them straight into the effing sun. They are who we all need to see investigated heavily and brought to justice.
It isn't super clear, but that seems to be what happened.
There's another angle where you can clearly see the agent in gray come up with empty hands and walk off with a pistol right before gunfire starts.
https://www.reddit.com/r/law/s/K4oeObPReX
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Most people tend to ball up and defend themselves once they get OC'd and you start beating their face in with the can.
I can't ever remember breaking up a incident in the prison where we got someone to comply while we were still spraying/hitting them.
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Do we know what lead up to that? Comply before it becomes an issue, or do you think LEOs are just going around and harassing people for no reason?
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I have family and friends in law enforcement and have been around them for a long time. It's rare, but I've met a few who were looking for a fight. However, most LEOs respond very well to people who comply and treat them with respect.
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Gray jacket agent is leaving as shots ring out. Not necessarily after.
Looks bad for sure. We all know the rules behind getting detained, they're almost the same in every state.
Read the guy was a VA nurse. Sad overall.
Kraut783
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Lack of training...ERO has no experience in this kind of confrontation, BP yes...but not ERO.
MN Guardsmen activated following shooting.
Looks like it'll be similar to how it went in other places; Guardsmen outside Federal buildings/being used to offset the public from feds.
Hopefully this helps calm things down.
Looks like it'll be similar to how it went in other places; Guardsmen outside Federal buildings/being used to offset the public from feds.
Hopefully this helps calm things down.
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He was employed with the VA, his fight should have been making sure his patients are getting the care that they needed and not out there being an idiot.
I once was smack in the middle of a US Marshals raid back when we lived in an apartment while waiting for our house to be built, I stayed away, could not leave as they had it all blocked off. I didn't grab my guns to pack them as I was supposed to meet friends and go shoot with, instead I stayed away and watched from afar. No camera, no phone filming, not even so much as a noise. It ain't hard to even do, and staying away so they won't even get any chances of seeing you as a threat or an obstruction. Especially since I was already packing with a permit in a permitless state. That guy was armed and there in person. Why!? There's only one reason a person obstructing ICE was there filming and armed.
SMH, this isn't that serious to risk a life over for what? TDS? Seriously?
I once was smack in the middle of a US Marshals raid back when we lived in an apartment while waiting for our house to be built, I stayed away, could not leave as they had it all blocked off. I didn't grab my guns to pack them as I was supposed to meet friends and go shoot with, instead I stayed away and watched from afar. No camera, no phone filming, not even so much as a noise. It ain't hard to even do, and staying away so they won't even get any chances of seeing you as a threat or an obstruction. Especially since I was already packing with a permit in a permitless state. That guy was armed and there in person. Why!? There's only one reason a person obstructing ICE was there filming and armed.
SMH, this isn't that serious to risk a life over for what? TDS? Seriously?
Osintdefender on X and IG has probably the clearest look at it.
In real time, gun call goes out (you can see all agents react), dude is reaching within think what turns out to be his cell phone in his hand, shots ring simultaneously while grey shirt/coat bubba clears the weapon from a kidney carry holster or stash. I think @Cookie_ has this read correctly
In real time, gun call goes out (you can see all agents react), dude is reaching within think what turns out to be his cell phone in his hand, shots ring simultaneously while grey shirt/coat bubba clears the weapon from a kidney carry holster or stash. I think @Cookie_ has this read correctly
Topkick
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Nothing I've seen provides context. Hoping a video out there surfaces showing us why this is even happening.
There are videos with before (agitation, pushing fellow protestors into agents, initial contact with agents) and showing after (not a lot to glean).
As to why it’s happening… Minnesota officials have spent months demonizing LEO, calling for violence, defunded the police and decimated local authorities, and then paid agitators have been gaslit into believing they’re fighting actual Nazis and sacrificing themselves using suicide by cop because they’ve been led to believe they’re not going to suffer consequences, all funded and supported by dark money NGOs and a complicit mainstream news media.
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So a VA nurse shows up to a roving obstruction event with a SIG Sauer P320... obstructs and then violently resists. I'm all for carrying for self defense, but not when the only expectation of conflict is with federal agents.. He would probably be alive still if it wasn't for him being armed, regardless if he had just been disarmed moments before the shooting.
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