National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion (please review page 1)

Let's be honest, there is no interest in the truth or justice. What they really want is a public lynching. Because short of that, there doesn't appear to be any type of solution for many people still crying over this tragedy; reason has gone AWOL.

I think a lot of people are distrustful of a system that seems to protect it's own, even more so when the system is functionally secretive.

I dont think releasing the proceedings will change anyone's mind one way or another unless something truly outrageous happened, but it will add fuel to the fire.
 
Yea, but does that actually matter to anyone?

For a lot of people unfamiliar with the system, not giving the jury the chance to make that decision is the same thing as the AG protecting the officers.
I guess, but the Commonwealth's Attorney (DA) passed this buck to higher. Then the AG's staff poured over the evidence to determine if any crime was committed and then they proceeded with a grand jury. I understand that we don't have to use grand juries to indict someone. But they are a good tool. Giving the grand jury the chance to do something just because maybe that random person on the grand jury wants it, isn't how the system works.

And I agree with @Blizzard this isn't about Justice, it's about a public lynching.

ETA: As I mentioned below, Kentucky is a grand jury state for Felonies.
 
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No Grand Juries where you are? Here, all felonies have to be indicted.
All federal prosecutions require a grand jury to indict. All states have a grand jury system, but only about half require a grand jury to gain indictments.

Looks like Kentucky is a grand jury system for all felony indictments.

@Kraut783 specifically for Arizona, prosecutors can indict suspects without going to the grand jury, but the tool is there.
 
Gotcha, here there is no indictment prior to arrest (state side)...either probable cause or warrant arrest. Once the subject has been arrested, the case (felony) is filed and goes through the grand jury process.
 
The grand jury I was on we had the option to recommend charges based on the evidence we were given, which yes is all one sided. I have a feeling most don't know how they work in the general public.
 
The grand jury I was on we had the option to recommend charges based on the evidence we were given, which yes is all one sided. I have a feeling most don't know how they work in the general public.

The average person doesn't have a fucking clue with regards to how the entire legal process works, nevermind how law enforcement works, nevermind adult responsibilities in general outside of "mcdonalds, shitter, fornicate, repeat"
 
There is nothing at all inconvenient for people on the left about leaders of a group accused of being white supremacists linking up with Black Lives Matter representatives to soundly and unequivocally denounce white supremacy.

In fact, if sincere it represents either an outspoken correction of a false accusation or an phenomenal development in the group ideology, and pulls one more group away from the umbrella of white supremacist organizations.

If there is any truth in the claim, then this is a great day for the left.
 
There is nothing at all inconvenient for people on the left about leaders of a group accused of being white supremacists linking up with Black Lives Matter representatives to soundly and unequivocally denounce white supremacy.

In fact, if sincere it represents either an outspoken correction of a false accusation or an phenomenal development in the group ideology, and pulls one more group away from the umbrella of white supremacist organizations.

If there is any truth in the claim, then this is a great day for the left.

Obviously the former over the latter since it's a pretty diverse group of guys.
 
Obviously the former over the latter since it's a pretty diverse group of guys.
I'm not well-versed enough in the group itself to sort the rhetoric and media slant from the group's beliefs in practice (racial inclusion alone in no way precludes white supremacist ideology from being a central tenet of a group), which is why I introduced both possibilities.

I see either result as a positive development.
 
I'm not well-versed enough in the group itself to sort the rhetoric and media slant from the group's beliefs in practice (racial inclusion alone in no way precludes white supremacist ideology from being a central tenet of a group), which is why I introduced both possibilities.

I see either result as a positive development.

Fair enough. I have some good friends that are in it. Like any group with a bunch of younger and overly eager individuals, they will get in trouble, but it always generally directly against ANTIFA. The entire organization is a by-product of black bloc groups like ANTIFA and is currently "led" by a Cuban-American.

That being said.. Having spent a lot of time in Miami, there is plenty of racial animosity between hispanics/latinos and blacks, but this isn't really a thing for Proud Boys from what I've seen.


ETA: The POTUS did clarify today that he condemns all white supremacists, and also the Proud Boys, but I don't see this amounting to much and more likely to be placating. The national protests can't get much more violent.
 
Fair enough. I have some good friends that are in it. Like any group with a bunch of younger and overly eager individuals, they will get in trouble, but it always generally directly against ANTIFA. The entire organization is a by-product of black bloc groups like ANTIFA and is currently "led" by a Cuban-American.

That being said.. Having spent a lot of time in Miami, there is plenty of racial animosity between hispanics/latinos and blacks, but this isn't really a thing for Proud Boys from what I've seen.


ETA: The POTUS did clarify today that he condemns all white supremacists, and also the Proud Boys, but I don't see this amounting to much and more likely to be placating. The national protests can't get much more violent.
I will say when the group started under Gavin, it flirted much more with those who held supremacists beliefs than it does now. I think it was right around the Unit the Right really that the Proud Boys started pushing away from that and Gavin gave control of the group to Tarrio.
 
I will say when the group started under Gavin, it flirted much more with those who held supremacists beliefs than it does now. I think it was right around the Unit the Right really that the Proud Boys started pushing away from that and Gavin gave control of the group to Tarrio.

And Gavin was pretty adamant in none of the Proud Boys going to Charlottesville..

 
I don't know where the George Floyd thread went, so I'll post this here:
Newly released video shows officer charged in George Floyd’s death helping man in wheelchair

This is interesting to me, in that, as someone here said previously, to paraphrase, "I don't care what happened before, I only care what took place during the incident". Early evidence showing Floyd putting drugs in his mouth during a 2019 traffic stop was not allowed under a similar premise, but this will be allowed?! For all practical purposes, this is the same type of situation. Interesting one was allowed and another wasn't.
 
Did you happen to read the title of this thread, and then look at page 1 as it directs?
Yep...doesn't mention anything about George Floyd or his trial specifically. Do you see them the same topic as national protests and disband the cops? I don't. While his case may've been a catalyst for those things, the trial details certainly is a separate topic.
 
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