National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion (please review page 1)

[Blizzard]

At work, watched this on news, my partner and I discussed.

Me: bad shoot.
Partner: why would kid answer door with gun, good shoot.
Me: proceeds to explain the previous conversation above.
Partner: fuck him, should have never answered with gun, he could have looked out peep hole.


Um, I love my partner, she's a friend but I think she's wrong.

He supposedly did look out the peephole.

According to reports he was Facetiming with a friend/girlfriend when the deputy knocked on his door. He looked out the peephole and didn't see anything (deputy stepped away from door based on bodycam). The deputy then knocked more aggressively. That's when he grabbed his pistol and went to the door.

 

[Devildoc]

A few years ago there was a bump in the middle of night, out of the ordinary and very suspicious. Something like 1:00 a.m. I told my wife to call 911, I got my pistol and went downstairs. Deputy came to the door after a few minutes, rang the doorbell. I opened the door a couple inches and told him I was armed, gun was down by my side and finger off the trigger. All he said about it was, "Don't shoot me."

There's absolutely a training aspect in these things, but it's also about having the right people in the right job. Some people can critically think and triage events as they happen. Some people can't.

We never did find out what the noise was, we suspected it was a large animal.

 

[Gunz]

Once he ascertained that there were uniformed cops at his door, he made a bad decision to answer the door with a gun in his hand.

Having said that, there are some cops who are predisposed to get buck fever when they see anybody with a gun, especially a black guy.

There’s a thin line between holding a gun in an unthreatening manner and threatening with that gun. I wouldn’t want to bet my life that every cop is cool enough to make the distinction.

Ultimately, nobody wins here but the majority of blame goes to Harry Hair-Trigger with the badge.

 

[DA SWO]

At work, watched this on news, my partner and I discussed.

Me: bad shoot.
Partner: why would kid answer door with gun, good shoot.
Me: proceeds to explain the previous conversation above.
Partner: fuck him, should have never answered with gun, he could have looked out peep hole.


Um, I love my partner, she's a friend but I think she's wrong.

Concrete wall, cop could have shifted left and ordered the kid out.
Starting to look like a bad shoot.
You partner own a firearm?

 

[Muppet]

Concrete wall, cop could have shifted left and ordered the kid out.
Starting to look like a bad shoot.
You partner own a firearm?

Her husband owns many, she leans our way, but, she is still very pro cop. I'm not saying I'm anti cop, I'm pro good cops but shit like this, Uvalde, Parkland and every other horrible interaction I see makes me less pro thin blue line.

It's definitely been a shift from years ago when I was a SWAT medic till now.

 

[Devildoc]

Her husband owns many, she leans our way, but, she is still very pro cop. I'm not saying I'm anti cop, I'm pro good cops but shit like this, Uvalde, Parkland and every other horrible interaction I see makes me less pro thin blue line.

It's definitely been a shift from years ago when I was a SWAT medic till now.

My theory: just like EMS and nursing, there's such a shortage that the average quality of the candidate is lower than what it used to be. The law of supply and demand.

 

[ThunderHorse]

At work, watched this on news, my partner and I discussed.

Me: bad shoot.
Partner: why would kid answer door with gun, good shoot.
Me: proceeds to explain the previous conversation above.
Partner: fuck him, should have never answered with gun, he could have looked out peep hole.


Um, I love my partner, she's a friend but I think she's wrong.

So my original reply to this thread was the airman had every right to answer the door to put two holes in whoever was at the door. We will see more of this going forward and things will escalate as normies with firearms have greater fear for their lives.

Concrete wall, cop could have shifted left and ordered the kid out.
Starting to look like a bad shoot.
You partner own a firearm?

No, the idiot cop shouldn't have been there. Let's start there.

And no, I ain't no hero.

ETA: Also the Mil influencer subtweets on this subject, let me tell you, this "community" really loves jumping on if it bleeds it leads stuff. Just leave these situations be, don't feel the need to make a comment on this, especially without linking the context. Apparently if you are conservative you are a racist yadda yadda.

 

[Devildoc]

So my original reply to this thread was the airman had every right to answer the door to put two holes in whoever was at the door. We will see more of this going forward and things will escalate as normies with firearms have greater fear for their lives.

I would say that if the cops breached the apartment without warning, then yeah, I am shooting at what's coming through the door. But if it was a call-and-knock and the dude answered the door and saw the cop, then probably not. But the issue isn't that the guy had the gun at his side, the issue is that the cop lacked the critical thinking skills and training to allow this to go a hundred different ways that would not have unalived the poor guy.

Referring to what @Muppet and I were talking about, the general quality of the street cop today is much less than it was, and critical thinking and de-escalation are so rare as to be called a super power.

 

[ThunderHorse]

I would say that if the cops breached the apartment without warning, then yeah, I am shooting at what's coming through the door. But if it was a call-and-knock and the dude answered the door and saw the cop, then probably not. But the issue isn't that the guy had the gun at his side, the issue is that the cop lacked the critical thinking skills and training to allow this to go a hundred different ways that would not have unalived the poor guy.

Referring to what @Muppet and I were talking about, the general quality of the street cop today is much less than it was, and critical thinking and de-escalation are so rare as to be called a super power.

He killed a man, he goes to prison. That hopefully will be what happens.

 

[Blizzard]

Once he ascertained that there were uniformed cops at his door, he made a bad decision to answer the door with a gun in his hand.

He reportedly never knew the cops were at his door, thus the gun. He could not see the cop when he first checked the peephole; didn't see anyone there. Due to walls, couldn't hear what was being said. All he knew was there were a couple of increasingly aggressive knocks on the door and some muffled shouting at it.

I'm no pretending to know better than others, but, based on reports and the video I saw, I also don’t think it's a coincidence this was an Oskaloosa Deputy involved in another incident of poor decision making.

 

[BlackSmokeRisinG]

I came home the other day some tenager (hispanic kid, we're white) I've bever seen popped out of my house as I rounded the garage towards the door. No other cars in my driveway, middle of the day when kids are at school. My first thought is "WTF ARE YOU DOING IN MY HOUSE" and he's 5ft. away. I was ready to grab him up. Nothing in his hands, not looking sketchy, surprised, or in a hurry. My son pops out a few seconds later...

Came home for lunch, kid parked across the street where I wouldn't notice. No gun on me but was ready to pop him one. At that moment I had 0 clue he was my son's friend, never seen him in my life. All it took was a .3 second assessment to figure out my life and property is not in danger.

Not exactly the same situation as the cop, but firearms are not illegal and there was no sign of break in etc. I think i would have taken cover immediately rather than shoot. YMMV

 

[AWP]

Did the young man have a gun or did he have an acorn?

Okaloosa deputy

 

[AWP]

Despite my earlier snark, what are the odds the FBI looks into the Okaloosa Sheriff's Department? You have two high profile shooting cases, one of which resulted in a fatality. Of a Black man. A servicemember. In an election year?

And when the officer told him to step back, wasn't he complying? He never raised the weapon and the officer had partial cover.

The family's attorney?
US airman shot and killed by police in Florida

Mr Crump, a civil rights lawyer based in Florida, has worked on multiple high-profile cases of police-involved deaths of black Americans, including George Floyd, Ahmaud Arbery, Trayvon Martin, Tyre Nichols and Breonna Taylor.

It won't bring their son back, but that family's going to get an 8-figure direct deposit out of this.

 

[Gunz]

He reportedly never knew the cops were at his door, thus the gun. He could not see the cop when he first checked the peephole; didn't see anyone there. Due to walls, couldn't hear what was being said. All he knew was there were a couple of increasingly aggressive knocks on the door and some muffled shouting at it.

I'm no pretending to know better than others, but, based on reports and the video I saw, I also don’t think it's a coincidence this was an Oskaloosa Deputy involved in another incident of poor decision making.

Thanks for the correction.

 

[Blizzard]

Just a reminder, SrA Fortson was a member of the 4th SOS at Hurlburt Field and gunner on an AC-130J Ghostrider.

 

[Muppet]

Fucking tyrants

 

[DA SWO]

Fucking tyrants

No surprised, 1st thing a mediocre defense attorney would ask for is copies of the 9-1-1 calls.
Hard to believe how stupid some cops still are.

 

[ThunderHorse]

Fucking tyrants

Revoke POST certification indefinitely.

 

[AWP]

So they have several officers openly conspiring to falsely charge the man and let me guess? They kept their jobs?

(5 minutes on the internet later)

Yeah, cleared by IA of any wrongdoing and the IA captain later became the head of the CT State Police.

 

[DA SWO]

So they have several officers openly conspiring to falsely charge the man and let me guess? They kept their jobs?

(5 minutes on the internet later)

Yeah, cleared by IA of any wrongdoing and the IA captain later became the head of the CT State Police.

Defense attorneys will still use it to hit their credibility.
My boss thinks they probably got shoved into admin type jobs, but I think they suffered no adverse action.