National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion (please review page 1)

[DA SWO]

OK so… admittedly I don’t know anything about Police procedure, but it seems to me like he took this from 0 to 100 in about one second. He gave her the notice, she was about to close the door, situation over. He noticed the knife and suddenly it’s a cluster fuck. why?

My thought too, similar to the shooting in FL.
That said, we don't know what we don't know.
The apartment looked pretty empty, was she expecting the notice?
Multiple calls to the apartment?
Just bat-shit crazy?
FAFO applies the second she charged the officers, stabbing the officer earned her a lead bath. Not going to mourn the departed.

 

[GOTWA]

OK so… admittedly I don’t know anything about Police procedure, but it seems to me like he took this from 0 to 100 in about one second. He gave her the notice, she was about to close the door, situation over. He noticed the knife and suddenly it’s a cluster fuck. why?

On one of the Sean Ryan interviews, I think it was Tyler Grey, he talks about escalation. He specifically says that in a situation where violence is required you absolutely need to go from 0-100. If it's anything less, and the other side goes higher, you're dead. I don't think it's a closer fuck; I think it's a requirement.

 

[AWP]

She was armed and charged the officers. Had she just stood there (like the guy in FL) I'd say the shooting wasn't justified. But, she went from passive to active towards the police I think she deserved to "get got" in this case.

Could the officers have done something different prior to her shooting without killing her? I'd think so, but again...she charged the police.

 

[Muppet]

 

[DA SWO]

What agency?

 

[BlackSmokeRisinG]

This is where we're at now...

Grand jury declines charges for Columbus officers who shot carjacking suspect in 2023

"A Franklin County grand jury has decided no criminal charges should be filed against two Columbus police officers who fatally shot a man who shot at them and attempted a carjacking in August."

WTF? Why does a Grand Jury even have to convene over a situation like that? How could charges even be possible?

Am I missing something?

 

[policemedic]

Yes.

 

[Locksteady]

OK so… admittedly I don’t know anything about Police procedure, but it seems to me like he took this from 0 to 100 in about one second. He gave her the notice, she was about to close the door, situation over. He noticed the knife and suddenly it’s a cluster fuck. why?

Agreed.

Why did the fact that she was holding a knife in her own home matter obligate him to 1. Stay after serving the notice, and, 2. Escalate the situation after having already served it?

 

[Bypass]

Oh hell no!!! Fucking pieces of shit.

 

[Kraut783]

This is where we're at now...

Grand jury declines charges for Columbus officers who shot carjacking suspect in 2023

"A Franklin County grand jury has decided no criminal charges should be filed against two Columbus police officers who fatally shot a man who shot at them and attempted a carjacking in August."

WTF? Why does a Grand Jury even have to convene over a situation like that? How could charges even be possible?

Am I missing something?

Every time the police use deadly force, it's classified as a crime and has to be presented to a grand jury for determination. The sniper from the sheriffs office posted earlier, there will be an investigation and the case will go before the grand jury as Murder.

This has been the way it is....well, forever.

 

[DA SWO]

Every time the police use deadly force, it's classified as a crime and has to be presented to a grand jury for determination. The sniper from the sheriffs office posted earlier, there will be an investigation and the case will go before the grand jury as Murder.

This has been the way it is....well, forever.

It also helps the Agency protection during any civil suits.

 

[Kraut783]

Naw, we still get sued...but if we followed our departments use of force policies...you get the "Qualified Immunity", and the department is the main subject of the lawsuit.

Most cities just pay off the people, usually it's cheaper than fighting the lawsuit....and it's what cities have insurance for.

 

[Muppet]

It also helps the Agency protection during

Naw, we still get sued...but if we followed our departments use of force policies...you get the "Qualified Immunity", and the department is the main subject of the lawsuit.

Most cities just pay off the people, usually it's cheaper than fighting the lawsuit....and it's what cities have insurance for.

So, tax payers foot the bill? ;)

 

[Muppet]

My pops friends son was driving his truck, pulled by cop, reason? 911 call for rebel flag in rear window of truck. Cop felt obligated to stop. Really?

 

[Kraut783]

So, tax payers foot the bill? ;)

Well...of course. Just as the tax payers pay for you department, equipment, training...etc. And any lawsuits brought against their paramedics.

 

[Muppet]

Well...of course. Just as the tax payers pay for you department, equipment, training...etc. And any lawsuits brought against their paramedics.

Personally, I believe, if any LEO or medic fucks up, gets department sued, it should not be tax payers, rather, your pension that gets to foot the bill.

 

[Blizzard]

Most cities just pay off the people, usually it's cheaper than fighting the lawsuit....and it's what cities have insurance for.

This is true, but I hate this "logic" and believe it's flawed. I'd like to see someone actually crunch the numbers on this because these are civil cases, which generally means the losing party is responsible for ALL legal fees, including opposing council.

Most of these lawsuits are b.s. and even a half competent city attorney or their contracted firm should win these. Doing so would save taxpayers money and discourage more people from looking for easy payouts.

 

[policemedic]

Personally, I believe, if any LEO or medic fucks up, gets department sued, it should not be tax payers, rather, your pension that gets to foot the bill.

The result is you’ll have no public servants.

Police, EMS, fire… everyone goes out and does the job at the behest of, and with delegated authority from, the public. It is only proper that the public also defends and indemnifies those people.

There’s an argument to be made that deliberate malfeasance should not be covered. And in my department, it isn’t. But truth be told, most lawsuits against the police aren’t about that. They’re money grabs.

 

[Muppet]

The result is you’ll have no public servants.

Police, EMS, fire… everyone goes out and does the job at the behest of, and with delegated authority from, the public. It is only proper that the public also defends and indemnifies those people.

There’s an argument to be made that deliberate malfeasance should not be covered. And in my department, it isn’t. But truth be told, most lawsuits against the police aren’t about that. They’re money grabs.

I see your point but when public servants fuck the pooch, why do, we have to foot the bill instead of the trash that did the dirt?

 

[Kraut783]

But they do, if a police officer, firefighter, or paramedic does something outside of training or protocol, they are fired, open to being sued individually….or even arrested.

They are then not supported by the departments legal team and do not get qualified immunity.