National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion (please review page 1)
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^^^ He's got a Vietnam Service Ribbon 
Welcome home, Bro!!
Welcome home, Bro!!
We went from "it's just a bunch of people watching cars burn" to "people shooting at police" pretty quickly.
I can't believe that Trump and the National Guard did this.
I can't believe that Trump and the National Guard did this.
Anything done in the name of resistance will be absolved.
Disgusting.
ETA- No, I don’t know the motivations of the driver. Yes, I know it was folks protesting the thing I agree with. I don’t condone this action in any way- from whatever ‘side’. Realized some folks can’t have two ideas in their heads at once so I had to clarify with this edit.
Disgusting.
ETA- No, I don’t know the motivations of the driver. Yes, I know it was folks protesting the thing I agree with. I don’t condone this action in any way- from whatever ‘side’. Realized some folks can’t have two ideas in their heads at once so I had to clarify with this edit.
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Luckily it doesn't seem like anyone got rolled over, but that's still a shit move.
It'd be nice if people understood their individual actions have far reaching consequences (especially in the digital age).
Kraut783
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This reminds me of the climate activist in Europe...trying to shut down road and the people aren't having any of it and just drive through or pull them out of the way.
People will just get sick of this crap...
People will just get sick of this crap...
LA needs to get its shit together and now. Guard, LAPD, Marines, don’t care.
Because you *really* wanna see shit pop off? Push people to where citizens are taking what actions they think necessary agains other citizens. That’s when things go south for real.
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- America’s increasing division between left and right—it’s getting worse, and I think it’s going to end badly.
- Trump and the right’s growing love affair with authoritarianism.
- The cost of living.
- Student loans.
- The left’s wave of anti-American sentiment.
In the end, though, none of this seems to matter. Trump and many of his hardcore supporters wanted it to play out this way. I think this is all a dog and pony show, designed to stir fear and push people into accepting authoritarian control. And if that’s what they want, then fine go all the way. Why stop at undocumented immigrants
ThunderHorse
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Show me where the Trump administration is being Authoritarian? Was Clinton an authoritarian when had thousands of ICE raids in the 90s? When he deployed the Marines to put down the Rodney King Riots?
How is enforcing the law being an authoritarian? Because the Democrats actually were authoritarian. They just didn't enforce immigration law.
Deporting illegals isn't being an authoritarian, it's doing his job as POTUS.
The Left? They need to get gone. They've imported anti-American ideology. They can move to China.
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I would say that ignoring court orders to return deported individuals invoking wartime powers like the Enemy Alien Act during peacetime, denying immigrants especially those who have lived here peacefully and built roots a fair hearing, and making legal immigration even harder by changing laws, are actions I find suspicious and wrong, even if some believe they're necessary.
Devildoc
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I think part of the problem is the courts ordering the stays or whatever are doing so outside of their jurisdiction. But that's not new; Biden did the same thing, ignoring court orders.
I do feel like immigrants who have been in the community with no criminal activity and ties to the community should have opportunity for assimilation and not necessarily be carted off to El Salvador. But at the end of the day if they are here illegally who can really be surprised if they are deported?
A political lifetime ago (January-ish) I mentioned that Trump could have channeled Reagan and developed an Amnesty Program.
It would have allowed ICE/CBP to focus more time/money on high risk individuals instead of meeting quotas, had people willing submitting themselves for processing, single-handedly build on the moment of minority support for the GOP and, for pure schadenfreude, seen Dems losing their minds arguing it was someone bad or misleading.
Obviously note a solution everybody might support, but there was precedent and benefits from it. Would have been a great jumping off point for overall immigration reform, which is something that needs tackled.
Thanks for answering. Just an observation from your bolded; you mentioned the division between left and right as your most prescient problem, and then lobbed an untenable and unprovable ad hom at the leader of the right wing. Do you find that the least bit ironic? Maybe just a little?
How do you think Obama's 8 years affected this "left/right" division? When did that division start, in your estimation?
Woof. What court order did he ignore? Certainly, you aren't talking about the Supreme Court 9-0 ruling that prescribed the facilitation of a return of (alleged) human trafficker, charged illegal immigrant, charged wife beater (with a boot!), and MS-13 gang member Kilmar Abrigo Garcia? Fun update- he's back, awaiting his trial for a new charge. So, technically, the US GOV complied explicitly with that court order, since, you know, he's here and awaiting trial for selling children into sex slavery.
To your bolded- which specific laws were changed? How did that make legal immigration harder?
You can draw a straight line from that 1986 bill to the problems California had today.
Reagan, with a sweep of a pen, granted citizenship to 3M illegal immigrants and turned Cali from a Republican state to the sanctuary state they are today. This is precisely why I care about immigration so deeply- illegals are counted on the census. The census leads to congressional and senatorial power for these states. Dumping 3M voters in Cali is how we got here today, and why the left is coordinating violent riots all over America a the thought of removing illegal immigrants.
Reagan wasn't a conservative, and the Amnesty Bill is only second to the Flores Agreement in net-negative impacts on immigration in this country. The Flores Agreement enabled the human trafficking of children on a disgusting and grand scale. Here is the OIG report on the February '23 findings.
Bottom line- 291,000 unaccounted for kids.
We all know the riots are funded- but by whom, you ask? The state of California via an organization tied into the CCP, CHIRLA, or the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights.
From the article, this group also received around $450K from DHS... that was stopped and $100K was clawed back earlier this year. Anyway, here's wonderwall.
From the article, this group also received around $450K from DHS... that was stopped and $100K was clawed back earlier this year. Anyway, here's wonderwall.
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