National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion (please review page 1)
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policemedic
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I think it’s a bad idea.
Well...fuck.
I don't know what I would do If I heard banging and "Sherriff's Department!!" outside my door knowing I did nothing wrong.
Bodycam footage shows Florida cop gun down airman in his own home without warning
RIP Airman Forston
I don't know what I would do If I heard banging and "Sherriff's Department!!" outside my door knowing I did nothing wrong.
Bodycam footage shows Florida cop gun down airman in his own home without warning
RIP Airman Forston
Bangers here have used the Police open up technique here.
I can't tell if he pointed the gun at the cop. Ifhe didn't point the gun, then asking if the cop was too quick to shoot is legitimate.
Looks like he didn't raise it at all. He opened the door with it by his side, no screaming coming from his apartment, just a young guy with a gun.
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This is a bad shoot, IMO.
Not only was the Airman innocent, recently returned from a deployment, his wasn't even the correct apartment for the issue the police were called for.
This shoot also brought to you by the same sheriff department with deputy that mag dumped into a squad with suspect handcuffed in the back because an acorn fell on the roof.
Seems to be some serious training issues with that department.
Not only was the Airman innocent, recently returned from a deployment, his wasn't even the correct apartment for the issue the police were called for.
This shoot also brought to you by the same sheriff department with deputy that mag dumped into a squad with suspect handcuffed in the back because an acorn fell on the roof.
Seems to be some serious training issues with that department.
Holy shit...this is acorn mag dump Co. SD???
ThunderHorse
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Let's start with this isn't a technique, invaded the wrong home.
More of these happen, the less I'm sympathetic to the "blue line" when they're just out here murdering dudes.
ETA: His POST certification should be immediately revoked and he should be charged with manslaughter.
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At work, watched this on news, my partner and I discussed.
Me: bad shoot.
Partner: why would kid answer door with gun, good shoot.
Me: proceeds to explain the previous conversation above.
Partner: fuck him, should have never answered with gun, he could have looked out peep hole.
Um, I love my partner, she's a friend but I think she's wrong.
Me: bad shoot.
Partner: why would kid answer door with gun, good shoot.
Me: proceeds to explain the previous conversation above.
Partner: fuck him, should have never answered with gun, he could have looked out peep hole.
Um, I love my partner, she's a friend but I think she's wrong.
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He supposedly did look out the peephole.
According to reports he was Facetiming with a friend/girlfriend when the deputy knocked on his door. He looked out the peephole and didn't see anything (deputy stepped away from door based on bodycam). The deputy then knocked more aggressively. That's when he grabbed his pistol and went to the door.
Devildoc
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A few years ago there was a bump in the middle of night, out of the ordinary and very suspicious. Something like 1:00 a.m. I told my wife to call 911, I got my pistol and went downstairs. Deputy came to the door after a few minutes, rang the doorbell. I opened the door a couple inches and told him I was armed, gun was down by my side and finger off the trigger. All he said about it was, "Don't shoot me."
There's absolutely a training aspect in these things, but it's also about having the right people in the right job. Some people can critically think and triage events as they happen. Some people can't.
We never did find out what the noise was, we suspected it was a large animal.
There's absolutely a training aspect in these things, but it's also about having the right people in the right job. Some people can critically think and triage events as they happen. Some people can't.
We never did find out what the noise was, we suspected it was a large animal.
Once he ascertained that there were uniformed cops at his door, he made a bad decision to answer the door with a gun in his hand.
Having said that, there are some cops who are predisposed to get buck fever when they see anybody with a gun, especially a black guy.
There’s a thin line between holding a gun in an unthreatening manner and threatening with that gun. I wouldn’t want to bet my life that every cop is cool enough to make the distinction.
Ultimately, nobody wins here but the majority of blame goes to Harry Hair-Trigger with the badge.
Having said that, there are some cops who are predisposed to get buck fever when they see anybody with a gun, especially a black guy.
There’s a thin line between holding a gun in an unthreatening manner and threatening with that gun. I wouldn’t want to bet my life that every cop is cool enough to make the distinction.
Ultimately, nobody wins here but the majority of blame goes to Harry Hair-Trigger with the badge.
Concrete wall, cop could have shifted left and ordered the kid out.
Starting to look like a bad shoot.
You partner own a firearm?
Her husband owns many, she leans our way, but, she is still very pro cop. I'm not saying I'm anti cop, I'm pro good cops but shit like this, Uvalde, Parkland and every other horrible interaction I see makes me less pro thin blue line.
It's definitely been a shift from years ago when I was a SWAT medic till now.
Devildoc
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My theory: just like EMS and nursing, there's such a shortage that the average quality of the candidate is lower than what it used to be. The law of supply and demand.
ThunderHorse
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So my original reply to this thread was the airman had every right to answer the door to put two holes in whoever was at the door. We will see more of this going forward and things will escalate as normies with firearms have greater fear for their lives.
No, the idiot cop shouldn't have been there. Let's start there.
And no, I ain't no hero.
ETA: Also the Mil influencer subtweets on this subject, let me tell you, this "community" really loves jumping on if it bleeds it leads stuff. Just leave these situations be, don't feel the need to make a comment on this, especially without linking the context. Apparently if you are conservative you are a racist yadda yadda.
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Devildoc
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I would say that if the cops breached the apartment without warning, then yeah, I am shooting at what's coming through the door. But if it was a call-and-knock and the dude answered the door and saw the cop, then probably not. But the issue isn't that the guy had the gun at his side, the issue is that the cop lacked the critical thinking skills and training to allow this to go a hundred different ways that would not have unalived the poor guy.
Referring to what @Muppet and I were talking about, the general quality of the street cop today is much less than it was, and critical thinking and de-escalation are so rare as to be called a super power.
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