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Simple solution.

Trump unblocks everyone from his Twitter, and just mutes them instead.

The people are no longer blocked from "offical presidential statements", and the president doesn't have to see/deal with them.

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This is a lawsuit all the "Twitter de-platforms conservative voices!" crowd should like. IF the courts were to find that Trump (and other officials) violate the 1st by blocking people, that gives more precedent to the "Twitter is a public forum" argument. It might actually lead to the regulation of social media companies.
 
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This is a lawsuit all the "Twitter de-platforms conservative voices!" crowd should like. IF the courts were to find that Trump (and other officials) violate the 1st by blocking people, that gives more precedent to the "Twitter is a public forum" argument. It might actually lead to the regulation of social media companies.
Hey. HEY. You stop reasonably dissecting an issue before applying your biases because it wouldn’t fit your side’s agreed upon narrative ILL HAVE NONE OF IT. Jk. Great point.

I think people might be confusing ‘freedom of speech’ and ‘right to be heard’ as well. You’re granted the former; not the latter.

I really dislike the ‘you can just make another account if the president blocks you on Twitter for being mean to him’ argument. Because READ THAT SENTENCE AGAIN.

What a time to be alive.
 
Soooo..... a question for the group - is Twitter (which is 'free' to join) closing an account because they interpret the content as a violation of terms the same as as one person blocking another person because they dont want to hear their drivel?

Is GM refusing to sell cars to minorities the same as somebody refusing to pick up hitchhikers?

Is Magnavox selling TV's that wont recieve MSNBC the same as me not watching MSNBC during supper?

Is Wells Fargo guilty of caging babies and destroying the environment becvause they are in the business of loaning money?

Do I get a discounted cab fare when the inside of my taxi smells like petuli oil, stale beer, and low morals?

Was "New Coke" a marketing scam to boost the sales of "old Coke" just a marketing scam?

Apparently it all depends on what side of the spectrum 'we' as individuals come down on. Just being an egotistical asshole is not a crime - nor does it violate anyone's rights. Social retardation is not a crime - in fact, its a lot of fun to watch. Its even fun to participate in sometimes. However, Social Media sites are third party entities. ShadowSpear gives folks the boot every so often - does that mean ShadowSpear is violating free speech? There are probably members right now - blocking me - because I'm an asshole - c'est la vie.
Being endowed with life liberty and the pursuit of happiness doesn't mean we get to catch happiness - just like I can't make people unblock me so that they have to endure my snarky, sarcastic, right leaning diatribes.
Using government power assets and resources to silence someone from talking is easily a violation of individual rights. I just don't think that there are any social media platforms being controlled by the government. Yet
- at least not until we start regulating them so that the "in" party" can sensor the "out" party.

Mileage may vary, some restrictions may apply, batteries not included
 
@amlove21 eloquently asks the questions about what is Twitter, exactly. And if by selectively using Twitter--by who can and cannot see or respond, using it as a springboard for policy, etc.--is it a constitutional concern? Honestly, I do not know. Honestly, I do not care (at least today).

Trying to see something similar in context, I am reminded of FDR's prodigious use of print media. He outright banned some outlets; others, he would selectively bring in to the WH to leak policy and to assault his political opponents. The republicans of the day tried to get him to stop to no avail.
 
Soooo..... a question for the group - is Twitter (which is 'free' to join) closing an account because they interpret the content as a violation of terms the same as as one person blocking another person because they dont want to hear their drivel?
...- at least not until we start regulating them so that the "in" party" can sensor the "out" party.

I abbreviated your post, because your question and comment are actually a viewpoint I've seen from (some) on the left and a good number on the right.

Currently, Twitter doesn't violate your rights by banning an account, and someone blocking you isn't violating your rights. I think public officials using accounts in offical capacities probably shouldn't block anybody(that's what mute is for).

But it's that 2nd part (in/out party) where the issue with free speech and Twitter starts. Twitter is a left-leaning company, with left-leaning policies, which often skews towards banning conservative voices. Because so many public officials, government bodies, and even regulatory agencies use Twitter for announcements, has Twitter become a defacto public square?

Social media is still new. We're only about 16 years from Myspace (arguably) creating social media as we know it, and only about 10 years from the explosion of Facebook. As these platforms become more and more ubiquitous in people's lives, it's important to figure out if they are "just" social media companies, or something more.
 
Cyber law is extremely interesting, primarily because it combines two polar opposites: glaciers (the speed at which law typically advances/evolves) and Ludicrous Speed (the speed at which technology advances/Space-ball 1 going plaid)

My initial instinct is that this case wont go anywhere, but Cookie raises some solid points that, if argued correctly, could result in precedent down the road. Solid points Cookie, 10/10.
 
Soooo..... a question for the group - is Twitter (which is 'free' to join) closing an account because they interpret the content as a violation of terms the same as as one person blocking another person because they dont want to hear their drivel?


However, Social Media sites are third party entities. ShadowSpear gives folks the boot every so often - does that mean ShadowSpear is violating free speech? There are probably members right now - blocking me - because I'm an asshole - c'est la vie.
Being endowed with life liberty and the pursuit of happiness doesn't mean we get to catch happiness - just like I can't make people unblock me so that they have to endure my snarky, sarcastic, right leaning diatribes.
Using government power assets and resources to silence someone from talking is easily a violation of individual rights. I just don't think that there are any social media platforms being controlled by the government. Yet
- at least not until we start regulating them so that the "in" party" can sensor the "out" party.

Mileage may vary, some restrictions may apply, batteries not included
To the bolded- this question probably needs to be answered long before the question of the 1st on Twitter, because it informs context, which I think is pretty important because other than @Cookie_ and @Kraut783 I don't think people are grasping.

If Twitter is a utility (because it's evolved to be a platform for government officials to pass important unfiltered information directly to "the people", as the president likes to say), then citizens should not be disallowed from using that platform because of the views they express.
Replace Twitter with whatever electric company you'd like to choose and make an argument that the electric company should be able to deny you service because of your opinion on politics. "So what the electric company said you can't use their service- shouldn't have said universal health care was a good idea. There are no other electric companies, but there are options, so quit whining. You can just make solar panels. Or burn diesel. Oh, and there's no recourse, none of your communications will even get through."

I get that some generations may not "be there" in reference to what Twitter has become/is becoming; imagine if you wanted to call or write your congressman, and they blocked your phone number and stamped all your letters "return to sender" because they don't agree with an article you wrote. You would be ignored and denied any opportunity to criticize your elected official or be privy to policy that affects you as a constituent no matter how "correct" you are to do so. Moreover, you aren't allowed to be in the discussion with other constituents because you wouldn't even be informed that a conversation was taking place.

This is an important point that people are either ignoring or aren't aware of. When you block someone on Twitter, they can't Tweet at you which means the blocked person cannot engage on any conversation the person they blocked them starts.

Example-The president blocks an investigative reporter for whatever reason. The investigative reporter can't tweet at the president but all of the president's followers ALSO can't see anything that reporter would tweet at the president. So now, that reporter won't be seen by 8 million Americans because the president decided he didn't like what the reporter has to say. That is the government (the president) censoring the press to the tune of 8 million Americans because the government doesn't like what the press said.

The president took a lot of heat when he released his trans policy via Twitter. Deservedly so, some number of American citizens took to the president's Twitter to give him THEIR unfiltered opinion on his policy, because that's the generation we live in and the president opened the door to that sort of direct communication. The president's response? He blocked viewpoints he didn't agree with. He literally made those dissenters unable to voice a contrarian viewpoint and made sure his 8 million followers didn't see it either. I get that some people dismiss Twitter as "something these darn kids use", but it's place in the zeitgeist is pretty firmly established. News breaks there. Policy breaks there. FEMA and emergency services post information there before National Warning Systems.

So, IF Twitter is deemed a utility and not a publishing platform that can't be moderated the way it is now, AND we agree that citizens have the right to contact their elected officials on the platform (when those government officials make it clear they're using it for official business which the president clearly is), then we all need to accept the circumstance for the here and now and examine if silencing someone in that context is inhibiting on their free speech.
 
So, IF Twitter is deemed a utility and not a publishing platform that can't be moderated the way it is now, AND we agree that citizens have the right to contact their elected officials on the platform (when those government officials make it clear they're using it for official business which the president clearly is), then we all need to accept the circumstance for the here and now and examine if silencing someone in that context is inhibiting on their free speech.

It's Friday, it's late, I am tired. This isn't making sense to me. Can you rephrase and say it like you are explaining it to a 5 year-old? I'm not being obtuse; I am not sure I understand what you are trying to say and I want to.
 
It's Friday, it's late, I am tired. This isn't making sense to me. Can you rephrase and say it like you are explaining it to a 5 year-old? I'm not being obtuse; I am not sure I understand what you are trying to say and I want to.

You're allowed to call your senator's official phone number, because they have to allow that. They don't need to respond to you (or even listen to your voicemail), but they can't just block your phone number.

Because Twitter has become such a massive platform, and so many politicians/agencies use it for official purposes, the arguement is that Twitter has essentially become the new "phone" in which you could contact your senator.

Not quite a 5 year old style explanation, but maybe that's a better analogy for you.
 
It's Friday, it's late, I am tired. This isn't making sense to me. Can you rephrase and say it like you are explaining it to a 5 year-old? I'm not being obtuse; I am not sure I understand what you are trying to say and I want to.
Certainly not a 5 year old Doc. See this thread Freedom of speech vs. the ‘right’ to be heard.... for a refresher on the ‘publisher vs platform’ discussion.

It boils down to this- after we figure out what Twitter ‘is’ (platform? Publisher? Utility?) then we answer the question of how that ‘thing’ is regulated.

If the president is using this ‘thing’ to communicate to Americans in an official capacity but blocking (censoring dissenters) viewpoints, he can’t be acting as a private citizen and a government employee at the same time, which is where the 1st comes in. Courts have previously ruled this was unconstitutional.

President Trump broke US Constitution with Twitter bans – judge

Court ruling could foreshadow new Twitter rules for Trump

Here is an article describing how the president violated Twitter’s policy and deserved a ban, but won’t be deplatformed.

No, Twitter will not ban Trump, here's why
 
Certainly not a 5 year old Doc. See this thread Freedom of speech vs. the ‘right’ to be heard.... for a refresher on the ‘publisher vs platform’ discussion.

It boils down to this- after we figure out what Twitter ‘is’ (platform? Publisher? Utility?) then we answer the question of how that ‘thing’ is regulated.

If the president is using this ‘thing’ to communicate to Americans in an official capacity but blocking (censoring dissenters) viewpoints, he can’t be acting as a private citizen and a government employee at the same time, which is where the 1st comes in. Courts have previously ruled this was unconstitutional.

President Trump broke US Constitution with Twitter bans – judge

Court ruling could foreshadow new Twitter rules for Trump

Here is an article describing how the president violated Twitter’s policy and deserved a ban, but won’t be deplatformed.

No, Twitter will not ban Trump, here's why

Thanks for clarifying. I 'thought' that's what I was reading. I understand now.
 
3.1% is pretty good, but it's not a blockbuster by any means. We've gotten to 2.9% in 2015 and 2018 most recently U.S. - GDP growth by year 1990-2017 | Statista

It'll be interesting to find out where the biggest growth sectors were. If it were, say, government spending then the good numbers are just a Reagan-esque artificial pump. However, those aren't set to be released until the 28th, so we'll see
 
3.1% is pretty good, but it's not a blockbuster by any means.

Did you just compliment this POTUS??? Oh, no, read the last part.

3.1% growth may not seem like much to folks with jobs but for those recently re-employed, it means a lot to be able to work their way back to self sufficiency.

I love when #resistance cannot even celebrate Americans success.
 
#resistance
Eww please don't call me that

Did you just compliment this POTUS??? Oh, no, read the last part.

3.1% growth may not seem like much to folks with jobs but for those recently re-employed, it means a lot to be able to work their way back to self sufficiency.
It's not a matter of not celebrating this level of growth. It's good, no doubt. But as I pointed out, it's nothing really special. Certainly nothing worthy of an ALL CAPS HEY GUYS LOOK HOW GOOD I'M DOING!!! tweet
 
Eww please don't call me that


It's not a matter of not celebrating this level of growth. It's good, no doubt. But as I pointed out, it's nothing really special. Certainly nothing worthy of an ALL CAPS HEY GUYS LOOK HOW GOOD I'M DOING!!! tweet

Just messing with ya man. I really don’t believe you support that effort.

Nothing really special? Haven’t seen these numbers since 2008 recession.
 
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Eww please don't call me that


It's not a matter of not celebrating this level of growth. It's good, no doubt. But as I pointed out, it's nothing really special. Certainly nothing worthy of an ALL CAPS HEY GUYS LOOK HOW GOOD I'M DOING!!! tweet
Yeah, and considering we are also setting records for debt and spending is straight up out of control, go ahead and label me contrarian.

From the article- "“When you pass the most irresponsible tax cut followed by the most irresponsible spending increase, unsurprisingly it leads to the largest deficit numbers,” said Maya MacGuineas, president of the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, a group that advocates for deficit reduction. “Predictably, that’s exactly where we landed.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9d5bee743f7e
 
Didn't the proposal cut spending? But we still end up with a deficit. Anyways, the budget proposals once tendered to the Legislative branch get chopped and changed by everyone of our congress criminals and therefore it's their issue.
 
Didn't the proposal cut spending? But we still end up with a deficit. Anyways, the budget proposals once tendered to the Legislative branch get chopped and changed by everyone of our congress criminals and therefore it's their issue.
Nothing to do with proposals in the article, except for the last paragraph, which references how far Senate and the president are on next year's increase.

It appears, at least as far as spending vs income is concerned, that a policies are not working to reduce the deficit. Instead, that spending is taking us to record highs.
 
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