School/Mass shootings are now part of our culture.

"Disney" drag, and it's "not something targeted at kids?"

Those two things seem... incongruent. Isn't Disney's primary target = kids?

To clarify, I'm not saying it was Disney themed drag shows, but that the style of dress/song was very much not sexual. It'd be queens dressed like Reba/Dolly doing country music as opposed to someone dressed like Cardi B doing WAP.

I threw out Disney because the last time I was there some queen was doing Adele songs dressed like Snow White.
 
But Disney Drag IS a thing in drag shows, some are themed as such because some shows just have themes.

With that said, it doesn't mean kids are involved. Some drag shows allow kids in the audience, some restrict the ages of the audience, and some are burlesque shows (and advertised/ age restricted as such).

This thread is really going off the rails...
 
I'll wait for more to come out as they scrub the shooter's social medias, but this really seems like an attempt to avoid the hate crime charge sticking.

That's a federal charge so avoiding that would keep him from going to a federal pen. Given the publicity of the case, he wouldn't be able to go to FCC Florence (unless ADMAX, which is unlikely), so he'd been sent to another geographic location away from his family.



There's a big difference between the rhetoric of "I don't think trans kids should play in a sport that doesn't match their birth gender" and "trans people/drag queens are all pedophile groomers trying to molest your kids".

That second example is one that is being expressed right now as an excuse for why the shooter did it.

ETA: This is the type of thing I'm talking about. I'm sure there's people where any disagreement with what they think is ok for gay people would call that "hurtful rhetoric", but I'm only talking about this stuff.
The "grooming event" was a brunch the club has been doing on Sundays for roughly 5 years. It's not something targeted at kids, and it's also pretty tame (basically Disney drag usually).

Well, the drag community does itself no favors when they have shows for kids to attend.
 
Well, the drag community does itself no favors when they have shows for kids to attend.

There are thousands of things in our society that are more sexualizied and nobody bats an eye about kids attending.

Do you lose your shit if you see an 8 year old having a birthday party at hooters? Are you calling for a ban on bikinis at the beach?

Of course not, because that'd be stupid. You understand that in example A it's that kids parents who are choosing to take them to Hooters which while sexualized is something that parent feels is okay for there kid.

You understand in example B that there's nothing inherently sexual about the human body at the beach.

So why is it drag shows seem to be inherently sexual to you? Is it because the only way you can veiw them is as a sexual demonstration?


Idk if this is the same interview, but he has one going off on a tangent about his son can't be gay, because their Mormon and there aren't any guys in the Mormon church because it's against the Bible and church teaching.

Pretty sure selling pot and shooting porn goes against those too, but maybe I've just met some real uptight Mormons.

I know this is only one anchor at CNN, but more support for my earlier post on this topic.

Also, the "yeah, they are claiming to be non-binary to get out of a hate crime charge" will be thrown in CNN's face at some point. Not that anyone will care, "hands up, don't shoot", but you know what I mean.


You'd think they'd have learned something from Joe "you ain't black if you don't vote for me" Biden.
People on both sides come in all spectrums.

The shooter being non-binary(which again, I do believe is to avoid hate charges, but w/e) doesn't change the fact that they shot up a specific night club.

I'm still waiting for the social media scrub. Seems they either deleted most everything or never had it in the first place l
 
The shooter being non-binary(which again, I do believe is to avoid hate charges, but w/e) doesn't change the fact that they shot up a specific night club.

This is why we need to wait for more info and evidence. Apparently to some motive does not matter (New Details Emerge About Colorado Shooting Suspect). I think it does.

If I blow up a mosque because I hate Muslims, that is a hate crime. If I blow up a mosque because the Imam raped my wife and ate my dog, that is not a hate crime.

The fact that club is what it is should be irrelevant unless it was, in fact, a hate crime specifically targeting the attendees because they were gay (or whatever).

I am not saying that you agree/disagree; merely pointing out everyone is on the bandwagon when the investigation appears to be ongoing and there are still a lot of blanks to fill in.
 
I know this is only one anchor at CNN, but more support for my earlier post on this topic.

Also, the "yeah, they are claiming to be non-binary to get out of a hate crime charge" will be thrown in CNN's face at some point. Not that anyone will care, "hands up, don't shoot", but you know what I mean.

There is already outrage at CNN for continuing to describe the shooter as “he” despite the preferred pronouns. People are pointing out the hypocrisy of using pronouns only when it works for them.
 
This is why we need to wait for more info and evidence. Apparently to some motive does not matter (New Details Emerge About Colorado Shooting Suspect). I think it does.

If I blow up a mosque because I hate Muslims, that is a hate crime. If I blow up a mosque because the Imam raped my wife and ate my dog, that is not a hate crime.

The fact that club is what it is should be irrelevant unless it was, in fact, a hate crime specifically targeting the attendees because they were gay (or whatever).

I am not saying that you agree/disagree; merely pointing out everyone is on the bandwagon when the investigation appears to be ongoing and there are still a lot of blanks to fill in.
NY Times has a paywall, can you just copy/paste?

No one commented on the VA Walmart mass shooting, angry black man kills 5 co-workers; oh wait, doesn't fit the narrative.
 
@DA SWO

COLORADO SPRINGS — The suspect accused of fatally shooting five people at an L.G.B.T.Q. nightclub before being tackled and pistol-whipped by bystanders sat slumped during a first court appearance on Wednesday, bruised, swollen and uttering slurred responses to a judge’s brief questions.
The suspect, Anderson Lee Aldrich, 22, appeared on video from jail and was ordered held without bond. The accused shooter, who is being held on suspicion of first-degree murder and hate crimes, is expected to be formally charged at a hearing on Dec. 6.
New details emerged about the suspect as the small, close-knit L.G.B.T.Q. community in this conservative city hoisted a giant rainbow flag outside City Hall to grieve the attack at Club Q, which had been an oasis for many.
Public defenders representing the accused shooter disclosed in court papers made public late on Tuesday that their client identified as nonbinary and used they-them pronouns. One footnote in the filings said that “for the purposes of all formal filings,” their client “will be addressed as Mx. Aldrich.”

At a news conference outside the courthouse, District Attorney Michael J. Allen said the suspect’s gender identity would not affect his approach to the case or influence whether he files hate-crimes charges.
“I’m looking at evidence,” he said. “That’s what we look at when we make filing decisions.”
Prosecutors have not said what they believed the motive was for the attack.

Lawyers for the suspect did not respond to requests for comment.
Kristen Prata Browde, a co-chair of the National Trans Bar Association, said that a suspect’s gender identity should have no bearing on whether they can be prosecuted for a hate crime in the Club Q shooting.
“The motive for a crime isn’t dependent on whether you are or are not a member of a protected class,” Ms. Prata Browde said. “It legally has no significance, as far as whether the actions of this individual fit within the law regarding hate crimes.”
She and other legal experts said it would be best for the court and prosecutors to respect the suspect’s preferred pronouns and gender identity, and treat them “like any other defendant.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/23/...on=CompanionColumn&contentCollection=Trending
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...on=CompanionColumn&contentCollection=Trending


Stan Garnett, the former district attorney in Boulder County, Colo., said he did not know of any legal rules that required Colorado prosecutors or a judge to honor a defendant’s pronouns or use “Mx.” but said “it would be very bad form to ignore a suspect’s self-identification.”
When the suspect was arrested, the police listed five potential counts of murder and five counts of what Colorado state law refers to as “bias-motivated” crimes, meaning that they were motivated at least in part by bias concerning a victim’s race, nationality, religion, disability, sexual orientation or gender identity. Such crimes are more widely known as hate crimes.
According to the police and witnesses, the attacker, clad in body armor, burst into the club just before midnight on Saturday and opened fire with a long gun, killing five people and injuring 18 others before being tackled by people inside the club.
One club patron, an Army veteran, grabbed a handgun from the assailant and pummeled them bloody, and told another person to kick the suspect in the face — interventions that the authorities said had saved lives.

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The club and its paring lot are in the middle distance, viewed over the tops of evergreen trees and a chain-link fence. Beyond are wooded hills dotted with houses under a blue sky.

Club Q on Sunday. Credit...Daniel Brenner for The New York Times

The club and its paring lot are in the middle distance, viewed over the tops of evergreen trees and a chain-link fence. Beyond are wooded hills dotted with houses under a blue sky.

In the wake of the attack, survivors and their families have focused on whether the suspect’s family or law-enforcement officials could have intervened before the attack, and whether Colorado’s red flag laws could have been used to seize weapons from the suspect.
Law enforcement officials have said the suspect was arrested last year outside Colorado Springs after the suspect’s mother reported being threatened by the suspect about a homemade bomb and other weapons. A news release from the El Paso County Sheriff about the 2021 incident described a frightening scene, with nearby houses evacuated, and said that a negotiation team was used to make an arrest.

The suspect was not prosecuted. Court records involving the threat have been sealed.
Interviews and public records revealed that the suspect had a troubled childhood marked by frequent moves. The suspect’s mother and father divorced when the suspect was less than 2 years old. Each parent had problems with substance abuse and a history of arrests.
The suspect was born Nicholas Brink, but legally changed their name to Anderson Lee Aldrich as a teenager in Bexar County, Texas, according to court documents. (The name change was reported earlier by The Washington Post.)
In 2016, the suspect’s grandparents, acting as guardians, referred to the suspect as male in court documents they filed in a Texas court to request a name change. “Minor wishes to protect himself + his future from any connections to birth father + his criminal history,” the grandparents wrote to the court. “Father has had no contact with minor for several years.”
By that time, the suspect’s father, Aaron Franklin Brink, had been arrested numerous times in California on charges related to drug use and erratic driving, court records show.

Mr. Brink said in an interview at his home in San Diego that his ex-wife, Laura Voepel, told him years ago that their child had changed their name because they were embarrassed by their father. Mr. Brink said Ms. Voepel later told him that their child had died, and that he believed that to be the case until several months ago, when Mr. Brink and the suspect reconnected by phone.
Mr. Brink said the phone call devolved into an argument, and at one point his child threatened to beat him up. Yet Mr. Brink said the conversation ended amicably.
Mr. Brink, who said he had worked as a pornographic actor and was now a mixed martial arts coach, described himself as religious and a conservative Republican who condemned gun violence. He acknowledged that he had voiced strong disapproval of gay people when the child was younger. Even so, in the interview Mr. Brink expressed sympathy for the families of the victims in the club shooting.
 
There are thousands of things in our society that are more sexualizied and nobody bats an eye about kids attending.

Do you lose your shit if you see an 8 year old having a birthday party at hooters? Are you calling for a ban on bikinis at the beach?

Of course not, because that'd be stupid. You understand that in example A it's that kids parents who are choosing to take them to Hooters which while sexualized is something that parent feels is okay for there kid.

You understand in example B that there's nothing inherently sexual about the human body at the beach.

So why is it drag shows seem to be inherently sexual to you? Is it because the only way you can veiw them is as a sexual demonstration?

If you take your kid to hooters for his 8th Birthday, you're a gaping asshole. (Same for Twin Peaks) If you take your kid to a drag show, you're a gaping asshole (that includes parents who may be of the lesbian or gay variety)

If you can't understand why taking your kid to a drag show shouldn't have them removed from the home, that's up there with pushing puberty blockers on your toddler because they happen to say they're the opposite gender for a couple days. It is child abuse and nothing else to describe it.

Bikinis at the beach? Are you serious? Now if you had said fat germans in speedos and socks, that would be different.

Mr. Brink said in an interview at his home in San Diego that his ex-wife, Laura Voepel, told him years ago that their child had changed their name because they were embarrassed by their father. Mr. Brink said Ms. Voepel later told him that their child had died, and that he believed that to be the case until several months ago, when Mr. Brink and the suspect reconnected by phone.

Mr. Brink said the phone call devolved into an argument, and at one point his child threatened to beat him up. Yet Mr. Brink said the conversation ended amicably.

Mr. Brink, who said he had worked as a pornographic actor and was now a mixed martial arts coach, described himself as religious and a conservative Republican who condemned gun violence. He acknowledged that he had voiced strong disapproval of gay people when the child was younger. Even so, in the interview Mr. Brink expressed sympathy for the families of the victims in the club shooting.

So basically that interview posted all over twitter was just clickbait and unnecessary, especially since he doesn't even know his kid at all.

NY Times has a paywall, can you just copy/paste?

No one commented on the VA Walmart mass shooting, angry black man kills 5 co-workers; oh wait, doesn't fit the narrative.

Work place violence, so totally okay under Democrats. See San Bernardino regional center mass shooting.
 
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With regard to the Walmart shooting, it happened one exit down from where I live (about 1 mile/mile and a half away).

Anyway, that Walmart is super sketchy and has been for forever (my best friends mom got robbed in that parking lot, in the middle of the day, years ago). It's also the poster store for every negative Walmart stereotype from people to employees.

Luckily, nobody that I know was killed there or even knew somebody that was killed there, so that's a small positive.
 
If you take your kid to hooters for his 8th Birthday, you're a gaping asshole. (Same for Twin Peaks) If you take your kid to a drag show, you're a gaping asshole (that includes parents who may be of the lesbian or gay variety)

If you can't understand why taking your kid to a drag show shouldn't have them removed from the home, that's up there with pushing puberty blockers on your toddler because they happen to say they're the opposite gender for a couple days. It is child abuse and nothing else to describe it.

Bikinis at the beach? Are you serious? Now if you had said fat germans in speedos and socks, that would be different.



So basically that interview posted all over twitter was just clickbait and unnecessary, especially since he doesn't even know his kid at all.



Work place violence, so totally okay under Democrats. See San Bernardino regional center mass shooting.

The article is not clickbait in context of what I had posted previously about people calling it a hate crime. The garbage about his family was superfluous to the point I was making.
 
The article is not clickbait in context of what I had posted previously about people calling it a hate crime. The garbage about his family was superfluous to the point I was making.

Of course, I clipped the article part that referenced his dad on purpose as further in the thread is an interview with his supposed "dad" saying: 'my son isn't gay'. But in the article it states that he barely knows him and thought he was dead until a phone call a few months ago. So not calling the article clickbait, but the video interview being shared around on the twatter definitely is.
 
Anyway, that Walmart is super sketchy and has been for forever (my best friends mom got robbed in that parking lot, in the middle of the day, years ago). It's also the poster store for every negative Walmart stereotype from people to employees.

Why is this relevant? Are sketchy areas more prone to workplace shootings?
 
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