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Jesus, did they rename him Ice-cream?
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I read article about new, groundbreaking, innovative aerial photography, but based on the trailers alone I can't see how they can get away without CGI for some of it....
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The new Top Gun film has a boatload of Chinese money in it and is going to be cleared to run in China. If I were a Top Gun fan I would lower my expectations. Money from the PRC doesn't come without strings.
When it comes to entertainment, "If it has Chinese money, lower your expectations".
When it comes to entertainment, "If it has Chinese money, lower your expectations".
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All the Star Trek movies have a ton of Chinese money in it. So you'll never get anything anti-China.
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Did the Federation have an issue with China that is not being explored in the new movies?
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Yep! They've effectively used culture and cultural icons to push the lie of unity and benevolence.
It's the lie of a peaceful PRC integration with the world and the acceptance of it's ideals. China's really good at legitimizing and portray themselves in a positive light.
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I hear ya.
Another red flag for me were the shots of Mavrick in a space suit and what is presumably the mythical Aurora...more CGI, in addition to that of the Tomcat and a thinner Val Kilmer. Did like the P-51, but why? Seems all over the board so who knows what this will really be but it seems to be diverging much more toward fantasy.
Still stoked to see it (it's going to be YUGE) but your warning to temper expectations seems like good advice to follow.
If there is actually Chinese money involved in Top Gun II I don't see it being a problem in this case. The only other country flying the F14 still (or, ever) was Iran so they're a shoe-in to be involved in a plot line for a sequel to a movie that made the Turkey famous. China doesn't have to be involved in every plot of every movie.
As an aside, the reasons for the pro-China pandering isn't the money involved in production but rather the fact that there is a quota of non-Chinese movies per year and it sits very low (about 24 or 25 last time I checked).
As for the CGI, well, it's going to happen with some of things they want to show. Do you really think the US Navy is going to let one aircraft fly upwards and between two others? Christ no. Would they let a film crew go to Groom Lake to film a real experimental aircraft? It's a cool plotline and it's probably just a short background scene, anyway.
As an aside, the reasons for the pro-China pandering isn't the money involved in production but rather the fact that there is a quota of non-Chinese movies per year and it sits very low (about 24 or 25 last time I checked).
As for the CGI, well, it's going to happen with some of things they want to show. Do you really think the US Navy is going to let one aircraft fly upwards and between two others? Christ no. Would they let a film crew go to Groom Lake to film a real experimental aircraft? It's a cool plotline and it's probably just a short background scene, anyway.
Chinese money in Hollywood doesn't have to equal a lack of anti-Chinese stories. Some movies that we see in the US, movies that bomb at the box office, will make a killing in Asia. Some of the movies are written to play better in Asia, especially China, than the US.
Not everything is political, it is simply about turning a profit.
Not everything is political, it is simply about turning a profit.
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That was because of the quota. It was optional BTW because they wanted to tap that market. It's still not a requirement to produce the thing in the first place.
One of our critics was just on the radio this morning talking about the impact of Chinese investment in movies. The decrease in sex, bad language, simplified plot lines, narrators keeping the viewer up to date with what is going on.
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On Iceman?
He went back to more normal looking after the chemo was done and the steroid puffiness went down.
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@Blizzard Yep. At this point given Hollywood and China's cooperation I'm hoping for the best, but preparing myself for the worst. The real world aircraft stunts are supposed to be real. At least that's what one of the fighter jet guys on youtube was explaining. So they do have that going for them!
@SpitfireV There were rumors concerning PRC attaches, on the Top Gun 2 set, being where they weren't supposed to be during parts of the filming. Something about them wandering about a carrier and snooping at stuff. Considering that the PRC is playing catch-up in the carrier ops game, I get the feeling they weren't looking for the bathroom.
@AWP It's not just about making money for the Chinese. Granted, I know film makers like to hedge their bets by pandering to the Chinese (like the Transformers series). What I'm saying is that China is very tactical where and how it invests it's money, especially in the film industry. You don't go around spending willy-nilly when you have limited resources, a large resource hungry population, and massive military modernization projects.
Chinese money has strings attached and while things like a Taiwanese flag may not seem like a big deal, on an ideological level that is a big win for the PRC. Think of it like this, when China puts money into a film they essentially get to push parts of their ideology onto receptive audiences. It's not about overt pro China/Communist messages, but about planting the seed of, "hey these guys and their beliefs might not be so bad".
@SpitfireV There were rumors concerning PRC attaches, on the Top Gun 2 set, being where they weren't supposed to be during parts of the filming. Something about them wandering about a carrier and snooping at stuff. Considering that the PRC is playing catch-up in the carrier ops game, I get the feeling they weren't looking for the bathroom.
@AWP It's not just about making money for the Chinese. Granted, I know film makers like to hedge their bets by pandering to the Chinese (like the Transformers series). What I'm saying is that China is very tactical where and how it invests it's money, especially in the film industry. You don't go around spending willy-nilly when you have limited resources, a large resource hungry population, and massive military modernization projects.
Chinese money has strings attached and while things like a Taiwanese flag may not seem like a big deal, on an ideological level that is a big win for the PRC. Think of it like this, when China puts money into a film they essentially get to push parts of their ideology onto receptive audiences. It's not about overt pro China/Communist messages, but about planting the seed of, "hey these guys and their beliefs might not be so bad".
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