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The Jeffrey Epstein Scandal
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Having been a BOP employee, nothing about the failures around his death are unique.
Correctional staff falsifying records, skipping rounds, not monitoring at-risk inmates, and spending their shift asleep/on the computer was more common than you'd think.
Faulty equipment and badly maintained recordings was less common, but still occurred in some facilities.
Epstein was a "high profile" inmate, but not one that would have stood out to most staff. People like Jared Fogle and R. Kelly would get extra attention for pre-established celebrity/pop-cultural relevance.
The way he (allegedly) killed himself was common, so not really raising any flags there.
That said, some things are weird. I haven't worked a FDC/MCC, but if Epstein was in a SHU there should have been multiple cameras at the entrance to the SHU as well as in the SHU; the idea that all cameras were down is unconvincing. There is not a single system I'm aware of that "skips footage" every night.
Not at all. Dude 100% had clients.
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FWIW...
"Cuomo:
Is the government hiding a client list or anything that the Trump administration could release tonight?
Dershowitz:
No, there is no client list and never has been a client list. A client list suggests that Jeffrey Epstein made a list of people to whom he trafficked women.
What there is, is a redacted FBI affidavit from accusers. There are several of them, from accusers that accuse various people of having improper sex. And that has been redacted. The names of the people accused have been blacked out.
Now of course because I was the lawyer and I did only investigations. I know who all these people are. I could figure out based on everything that I saw who Mr. X is, Mr. Y is, and Mr. Z. I can tell you right now, none of them are public figures who are currently in office. Some of them were previously in office, some of them are dead, but there is no client list.
And the redactions could be undone if you go to court. So many of the things that are being suppressed, are being suppressed by two judges in Manhattan, and they're doing it largely to protect the alleged accusers who are in the view of the judge's victims, even though we don't know what their actual status is. But the judges have issued orders, which is why I can't disclose things I'd love to disclose, saying that you can't disclose this information.
But Pam Bondi and the Justice Department and Donald Trump are not responsible for that, I don't know of any information that they could disclose, that they haven't disclosed. Now maybe there is some, but I'm simply not aware of it. And so I think it's important to place the blame where the blame deserves to be placed.
The vast majority of people who are in the files—and I know them all, I've seen all the names—the vast, vast majority of them have already been disclosed. They're in articles all over the world. They're in books that have been written. So, if we got everything, everything, you would be shocked how few names are there that haven't already been disclosed. The media hasn't, by the way, done a good enough job in finding the people who have been disclosed in the public record. So that's that list."
The guy who helped negotiate his original deal for trafficking a minor for sex and was later accused* of also being a client is telling us nothing's really there? Epstein did it, but the names aren't that substantial? A guy who helped defend Trump in 2020 and attempted to negotiate clemency for a convicted pedophile? Um, okay.
These judges are blocking the info, but he won't say who and the media was somehow unaware of this until Alan said something?
* - Accused with multiple lawsuits, some settled out of court, before the accuser finally recanted her story. That saga alone is a mess.
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If Dershowitz was a "Bro-Vet" EweToober.........
Cuomo: Is the government hiding anything that the Trump administration could release tonight?
Dershowitz: Of course they are hiding something. Our covert ops are darker than the inside of a supermassive black hole. But if its a list you're looking for, there is no list - there's never been a list
...lists are for fucking rookies.
...lists get compromised
...only little bitches that have never seen the amount of combat I've seen would even think of using a list.
...and let me just say this, if there was a list, I would have just launched one of our "above top secret" level black ops, breached the fucking prison wall, put a choke hold on that fuck and Arkancided that sleazy mother fuc.........
Cuomo: Wait!!! So, are you suggesting that "if" a list had existed, it could have been the spark that caused Mr Epstein to commit suicide while alone in his cell surrounded by cameras that didn't work but actually worked the entire time and recorded hours of raw unedited video except for the parts that were edited or missing?
Dershowitz: What ?
Cuomo: What?
Dershowitz: A list is a number of connected items or names written or printed consecutively; typically one below the other. It could be a laundry list, a grocery list, a list of ingredients, or even an awesome list of the great Tacti-Cool Product line offered by our sponsors...
...Box Tacti-Cool Products Unlimited. Check them out using the link below and use my name during checkout to get 15% off your first purchase - like, share, and subscribe if you want to see more content like this.
Cuomo: What in the actual fuck are you talking about?
Dershowitz: Lists. I'm talking about lists. When you do ops that are as black as the black ops I've been involved in, you can't afford to keep lists. Lists can compromise the 'Op - lists can prove that you where only issued 47 hand grenades instead of 50.
There's no list, Chris. I know because I've seen the list of all the different list that the government has built during the investigation.
Cuomo: But you just said there was a list of all the..........
Dershowitz: There's no list Chris. What DOES exist is a a number of connected items or names written or printed consecutively - in this case, that number of connected items or names is made up of redacted FBI affidavits from numerous accusers. The vast majority of people who are in the files—and I know them all, I've seen all the names—the vast, vast majority of them have already been disclosed.
Cuomo: so..... there IS a list
Dershowitz: I said files - not lists.
Cuomo: So files, and a random number of connected items or names is made up of redacted FBI affidavits from numerous accusers.
Dershowitz: Correct. In fact, there are several of them but they've been redacted. The rest were in the back of a Cyber Truck but they've gone missing. There were a few stuffed into the glove box of a 1967 Corvette, but we forgot where we put the keys. So, now everything is just- redacted.
Cuomo: Why would they need to be redacted if there are no lists?
Dershowitz: Sex Chris. Lots and lots
...and lots
...and lots
...and lots of sex Chris. They're in articles all over the world. They're in books that have been written. So much sex.
...but no client list. No there was never a client list.
Cuomo: How can there NOT be some kind of list when there are so many random numbers of connected items and names.
Dershowitz: Because a client list suggests that Jeffrey Epstein made a list of people to whom he trafficked women. It's tied to the Israelis and our proxy war with Iran. I know, I've been on the Ops.
...in fact, when I go on those Black Ops, I make sure I gear up with kit from Box Tacti-Cool Products Unlimited. Check them out using the link below and use my name during checkout to get 15% off your first purchase
Cuomo: So who did he traffic them to? Was it Messner, Ortega, Coletta, Jorgensen, Danforth, Berry, or even Krakauer? Why is everything redacted? Where are all of these people from the random redacted numbers of connected items and names?
Dershowitz: They're all dead, sir.
Cuomo: Not Delmar Berry, he made it.
Dershowitz: Berry's gone too, Chris. Arkancide. Shot himself in the back of the head...
...twice
...then he hung himself in an abandoned tool shed after he ditched the gun.
We aren't sure exactly how he pulled it off, but that damn Delmar was always able to make shit happen that looked impossible to the rest of us.
Cuomo: Allan, are you mocking be by quoting old movie lines?
Dershowitz: THERE'S NO LIST !!!
Cuomo: OK! Ok already, I believe you.
Dershowitz: I know who all these people are. I could figure out based on everything that I saw who Mr. X is, Mr. Y is, and Mr. Z. I even knew Mr. Orange was the mole - from the minute he ratted out Mr. Pink for not tipping.
Cuomo: I'm not following...
Mr. X
Mr. Y
Mr. Z.
Mr. Orange
Mr. Pink
...who are these people and why the cryptic names?
Dershowitz: It doesn't matter now, Chris. None of them are public figures who are currently in office. Some of them were previously current figures that were in office but not anymore. Besides, some of them are dead now.
Cuomo: Not Delmar Berry, he made it.
Dershowitz: Moving on.
Cuomo: Are you suggesting that someone is suppressing evidence?
Dershowitz: So many of the things that are being suppressed, are being suppressed by two judges in Manhattan because of OPSEC. We can't just be releasing every little detail from every single black op we go out on. The judges issue orders, which is why I can't disclose things I'd love to disclose, saying that you can't disclose this information.
Cuomo: Redactions could be undone if you go to court. Can you offer any comments on that?
Dershowitz: I can't comment on how many we may or may not have actually killed during our black ops because its still classified.
I just can't talk about it.
I just know that the Justice Department and Pam Bondi and Kash Patel and Dan Bongino and Donald Trump are not responsible - its those two judges I told you about. They are the ones keeping the list from being released.
Cuomo: WHAT.LIST?!?!
Dershowitz: There is no list.
Besides, if there was a list, there isn't any information on it that they could disclose, that they haven't already disclosed. Now maybe there is some, but I'm simply not aware of it.
Cuomo: Any closing comments?
Dershowitz: The media hasn't done a good enough job in finding the people who have been disclosed in the public record. So, if we got everything, everything, you would be shocked how few names are there that haven't already been disclosed. So that's that list."
Cuomo: What list?
Dershowitz: There's no list, Chris.
Cuomo: Is the government hiding anything that the Trump administration could release tonight?
Dershowitz: Of course they are hiding something. Our covert ops are darker than the inside of a supermassive black hole. But if its a list you're looking for, there is no list - there's never been a list
...lists are for fucking rookies.
...lists get compromised
...only little bitches that have never seen the amount of combat I've seen would even think of using a list.
...and let me just say this, if there was a list, I would have just launched one of our "above top secret" level black ops, breached the fucking prison wall, put a choke hold on that fuck and Arkancided that sleazy mother fuc.........
Cuomo: Wait!!! So, are you suggesting that "if" a list had existed, it could have been the spark that caused Mr Epstein to commit suicide while alone in his cell surrounded by cameras that didn't work but actually worked the entire time and recorded hours of raw unedited video except for the parts that were edited or missing?
Dershowitz: What ?
Cuomo: What?
Dershowitz: A list is a number of connected items or names written or printed consecutively; typically one below the other. It could be a laundry list, a grocery list, a list of ingredients, or even an awesome list of the great Tacti-Cool Product line offered by our sponsors...
...Box Tacti-Cool Products Unlimited. Check them out using the link below and use my name during checkout to get 15% off your first purchase - like, share, and subscribe if you want to see more content like this.
Cuomo: What in the actual fuck are you talking about?
Dershowitz: Lists. I'm talking about lists. When you do ops that are as black as the black ops I've been involved in, you can't afford to keep lists. Lists can compromise the 'Op - lists can prove that you where only issued 47 hand grenades instead of 50.
There's no list, Chris. I know because I've seen the list of all the different list that the government has built during the investigation.
Cuomo: But you just said there was a list of all the..........
Dershowitz: There's no list Chris. What DOES exist is a a number of connected items or names written or printed consecutively - in this case, that number of connected items or names is made up of redacted FBI affidavits from numerous accusers. The vast majority of people who are in the files—and I know them all, I've seen all the names—the vast, vast majority of them have already been disclosed.
Cuomo: so..... there IS a list
Dershowitz: I said files - not lists.
Cuomo: So files, and a random number of connected items or names is made up of redacted FBI affidavits from numerous accusers.
Dershowitz: Correct. In fact, there are several of them but they've been redacted. The rest were in the back of a Cyber Truck but they've gone missing. There were a few stuffed into the glove box of a 1967 Corvette, but we forgot where we put the keys. So, now everything is just- redacted.
Cuomo: Why would they need to be redacted if there are no lists?
Dershowitz: Sex Chris. Lots and lots
...and lots
...and lots
...and lots of sex Chris. They're in articles all over the world. They're in books that have been written. So much sex.
...but no client list. No there was never a client list.
Cuomo: How can there NOT be some kind of list when there are so many random numbers of connected items and names.
Dershowitz: Because a client list suggests that Jeffrey Epstein made a list of people to whom he trafficked women. It's tied to the Israelis and our proxy war with Iran. I know, I've been on the Ops.
...in fact, when I go on those Black Ops, I make sure I gear up with kit from Box Tacti-Cool Products Unlimited. Check them out using the link below and use my name during checkout to get 15% off your first purchase
Cuomo: So who did he traffic them to? Was it Messner, Ortega, Coletta, Jorgensen, Danforth, Berry, or even Krakauer? Why is everything redacted? Where are all of these people from the random redacted numbers of connected items and names?
Dershowitz: They're all dead, sir.
Cuomo: Not Delmar Berry, he made it.
Dershowitz: Berry's gone too, Chris. Arkancide. Shot himself in the back of the head...
...twice
...then he hung himself in an abandoned tool shed after he ditched the gun.
We aren't sure exactly how he pulled it off, but that damn Delmar was always able to make shit happen that looked impossible to the rest of us.
Cuomo: Allan, are you mocking be by quoting old movie lines?
Dershowitz: THERE'S NO LIST !!!
Cuomo: OK! Ok already, I believe you.
Dershowitz: I know who all these people are. I could figure out based on everything that I saw who Mr. X is, Mr. Y is, and Mr. Z. I even knew Mr. Orange was the mole - from the minute he ratted out Mr. Pink for not tipping.
Cuomo: I'm not following...
Mr. X
Mr. Y
Mr. Z.
Mr. Orange
Mr. Pink
...who are these people and why the cryptic names?
Dershowitz: It doesn't matter now, Chris. None of them are public figures who are currently in office. Some of them were previously current figures that were in office but not anymore. Besides, some of them are dead now.
Cuomo: Not Delmar Berry, he made it.
Dershowitz: Moving on.
Cuomo: Are you suggesting that someone is suppressing evidence?
Dershowitz: So many of the things that are being suppressed, are being suppressed by two judges in Manhattan because of OPSEC. We can't just be releasing every little detail from every single black op we go out on. The judges issue orders, which is why I can't disclose things I'd love to disclose, saying that you can't disclose this information.
Cuomo: Redactions could be undone if you go to court. Can you offer any comments on that?
Dershowitz: I can't comment on how many we may or may not have actually killed during our black ops because its still classified.
I just can't talk about it.
I just know that the Justice Department and Pam Bondi and Kash Patel and Dan Bongino and Donald Trump are not responsible - its those two judges I told you about. They are the ones keeping the list from being released.
Cuomo: WHAT.LIST?!?!
Dershowitz: There is no list.
Besides, if there was a list, there isn't any information on it that they could disclose, that they haven't already disclosed. Now maybe there is some, but I'm simply not aware of it.
Cuomo: Any closing comments?
Dershowitz: The media hasn't done a good enough job in finding the people who have been disclosed in the public record. So, if we got everything, everything, you would be shocked how few names are there that haven't already been disclosed. So that's that list."
Cuomo: What list?
Dershowitz: There's no list, Chris.
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@TLDR20 , Tim is referring to Ro Khanna's amendment to the crypto bill that was voted down.
In the amendment, the language reads that "everything related to Epstein should be released immediately", because while Ro may be an adept political opportunist, he's also still a politician, which makes him retarded.
The amendment, so written, would demand the release of the tranche of videos collected as evidence, including thousands (allegedly) of videos of CP to the American public.
It was a poorly written amendment, and Ro admitted as much on Tim Pool's show "the culture war", which is a good listen if you're looking for a quick 30 minute look at culture from Tim's perspective. Ro went on to say that he would change the language in future amendments, which he said were coming.
In the amendment, the language reads that "everything related to Epstein should be released immediately", because while Ro may be an adept political opportunist, he's also still a politician, which makes him retarded.
The amendment, so written, would demand the release of the tranche of videos collected as evidence, including thousands (allegedly) of videos of CP to the American public.
It was a poorly written amendment, and Ro admitted as much on Tim Pool's show "the culture war", which is a good listen if you're looking for a quick 30 minute look at culture from Tim's perspective. Ro went on to say that he would change the language in future amendments, which he said were coming.
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Cool. I did not know that.
There are hundreds of great examples of people with maximum cope right now. I’m enjoying all of it.
Oh dude, you are in no way wrong there. It's absolutely choking. When Charlie Kirk, D'Nesh Dsouza and Lara Ingram all come out the same day with the same talking points, it looks exactly as bad as any other super cut/coordinated messaging.
I just hope both teams are having fun!
Massie and Khanna are working on a better version. Ro said Massie is helping to ensure the effort meets procedural rules and is more appropriately written.
Republicans and Democrats are coming together over the Epstein files? Not to trivialize other world and national events, our trigger for cooperation is potentially (it won't happen though) outing some kiddie didlers.
This entire affair is absurd and oh so easy preventable.
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Technically, I think the trigger for operation is that both sides think they are about to "out" some kiddie didlers from 'the other side' of the political spectrum.
But a big thumbs up on the absurdity of it all. This has turned into such a silly spectacle that its even fun to just speak the world "absurd" out loud...
...try, it with me and you'll see
Ready...
3
2
1...
ABSURD
Now, say it a few more times until you are content
ABSURD I'M FUCKING DYING OVER HERE !!!
I love the fact that Ro is super incompetent and needed an assist. These are your moral betters, folks- people that can't read a checklist and properly format a document that is quite literally their only job.
It's a little too on the nose that one thing all folks in Congress (regardless of party) can agree on right now is pedophilia.
I will be holding my breath waiting for a properly written, coherent, bi-partisan measure to be brought to the floor (IDK if you guys know this but I can hold my breath a really long time.)
You mean his staff sucks. Members of Congress couldn't write an IOU without their staff.
This is actually a pretty profound meme. It inspired