The Trump Presidency 2.0

TLDR20 said:
Ah but the nuance, this is federally directed.
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Ah yes, "nuance", the French word for, "I don't have a principled position so please allow me to move the goalposts", or something. Crime and the culture of DC didn't matter until very recently because it doesn't affect you locally; taking murderers off the streets after years of mismanagement and corruption does (because you don't like the dude doing it or how).

It's legal, it should have happened years ago, I don't care. It's another 80/20 issue that's going to follow the same playbook as all the rest-If anything, it's the roadmap for St Louis, Birmingham, Cleveland, Baltimore and a host of others with murder rates north of 30 per 100k.

Cookie_ said:
The NGB budget got slashed pretty well for FY26, with continuous percentage cuts each year until FY30(IIRC).

We (the Fed), have money to do basically anything, but this seems to be another thing where we want to do more with less. I'll be interested to see if budgets increase for this plan specifically in FY27, if they move forward with it.
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Money is fungible, and military money is always fake anyway. We can find it!
 
Cookie_ said:
The NGB budget got slashed pretty well for FY26, with continuous percentage cuts each year until FY30(IIRC).

We (the Fed), have money to do basically anything, but this seems to be another thing where we want to do more with less. I'll be interested to see if budgets increase for this plan specifically in FY27, if they move forward with it.
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The Guard's going to party like it's 1999 and then people will complain the Guard is useless, poorly trained, etc.

I played this game once before and it doesn't end well.
 
amlove21 said:
I want a roll-up of debauchery like we got from LA.
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You put dudes on 90-day orders, guys who will probably lose their jobs over that shit, students set back another semester, etc. on top of "normal" military behavior? You're going to get a bunch of stupid playing out in front of the media and social media. Huh, not unlike LA... So, we know how this QRF will play out.

And for those not around in the 90's, deep cuts to the Army Guard budget have unpleasant 2nd and 3rd order effects. Everyone in DC laughed off complaints and warnings until 2002 hit and units began showing up at mob stations.
 
I think we can probably get a hundred, maybe a couple hundred, of Guardsmen and Reservists in the greater DC area who would be willing to volunteer to go on multi-month activation orders. But yes, it is going to be expensive. And also, is it worth the political and financial cost of doing it?
 
Another angle, and we've seen this play before, is 47 dangles this out there and then "TACO":rolleyes:* except it forces people to do their jobs.

* - Sarcasm for anyone wondering.
 
Marauder06 said:
I think we can probably get a hundred, maybe a couple hundred, of Guardsmen and Reservists in the greater DC area who would be willing to volunteer to go on multi-month activation orders. But yes, it is going to be expensive. And also, is it worth the political and financial cost of doing it?
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I think the DC thing is pretty easy to get volunteers for, and won't be cost prohibitive since it's local orders.

Establishing a split country QRF will be much harder/expensive to fill for, in my view, very little political gain.
 
Marauder06 said:
I think we can probably get a hundred, maybe a couple hundred, of Guardsmen and Reservists in the greater DC area who would be willing to volunteer to go on multi-month activation orders. But yes, it is going to be expensive. And also, is it worth the political and financial cost of doing it?
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Maybe an intended (probably unintended) third order consequence here is deterrence. If there is a possiblity- even a remote one- that you could get the feds in your neighborhood for wilding out, maybe the wilding out decreases?

I wish I could trust crime reporting numbers, but the incidence of changing classifications of crimes, handcuffing rank and file LEOs via policy, or (in some cases) outright lying about stats is too damn high.
 
amlove21 said:
Maybe an intended (probably unintended) third order consequence here is deterrence. If there is a possiblity- even a remote one- that you could get the feds in your neighborhood for wilding out, maybe the wilding out decreases?

I wish I could trust crime reporting numbers, but the incidence of changing classifications of crimes, handcuffing rank and file LEOs via policy, or (in some cases) outright lying about stats is too damn high.
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I don't think it will have much of an effect at all. I think getting the feds involved is exactly what some of the other side wants. The movement needs its martyrs. It needs blood. The Left needs Orange Man Bad to be literally Hitler.
 
Marauder06 said:
I don't think it will have much of an effect at all. I think getting the feds involved is exactly what some of the other side wants. The movement needs its martyrs. It needs blood. The Left needs Orange Man Bad to be literally Hitler.
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Yeah I don't disagree here. It's also crazy to watch the entire left try and gaslight me into believing that 24, 27, 31 (depending on who you believe) murders per 100k "isn't that bad". The only people who disagree with that line of reasoning are the 91% of people polled living in DC that rated crime as a "very big problem/concern" or a "moderate concern".
 
amlove21 said:
Yeah I don't disagree here. It's also crazy to watch the entire left try and gaslight me into believing that 24, 27, 31 (depending on who you believe) murders per 100k "isn't that bad". The only people who disagree with that line of reasoning are the 91% of people polled living in DC that rated crime as a "very big problem/concern" or a "moderate concern".
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Quick napkin math (only counting DC, not the metro area) gets me 26.xx for 2024, so pretty close to the 27 the WH claims. It's about 14 so far this year, but it'll probably go up a bit throughout the rest of summer.

For comparison, the two cities with similar populations (Nashville and Las Vegas) both had a rate of ~15 last year.

amlove21 said:
This. This is the take. This guy gets exactly what he is supposed to do when he has the mic.

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What a fucking dweeb lol
 
Cookie_ said:
Quick napkin math (only counting DC, not the metro area) gets me 26.xx for 2024, so pretty close to the 27 the WH claims. It's about 14 so far this year, but it'll probably go up a bit throughout the rest of summer.

For comparison, the two cities with similar populations (Nashville and Las Vegas) both had a rate of ~15 last year.



What a fucking dweeb lol
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Dweeb is such a great and underutilized word, +5
 
Lujan is tha absolute worst. Every meme or trope of a far left governor that has managed her state into chaos, that's her. Even saying the words, "We need help from Trump" probably felt like acid in her mouth.

I cannot wait until my kids move out of NM, Albuquerque specifically.

Democratic governor declares state of emergency in crime-ridden county
 
amlove21 said:
Lujan is tha absolute worst. Every meme or trope of a far left governor that has managed her state into chaos, that's her. Even saying the words, "We need help from Trump" probably felt like acid in her mouth.

I cannot wait until my kids move out of NM, Albuquerque specifically.

Democratic governor declares state of emergency in crime-ridden county
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Weird. It’s almost as if “TACO Trump” is shaming these people into doing their jobs.

Like these idiots just discovered violent crime exists in record numbers…Governor, please.
 

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