The Trump Presidency 2.0

[Ooh-Rah]

I'll be honest. Five days and the liberal meltdowns have been sweet.

@R.Caerbannog - what is it about Hegseth’s background or experience that causes you to be in favor of him, that makes you believe he will be successful? Please do not say things like ‘draining the swamp’ or ‘cutting through the bureaucracy’ because someone who had more experience at those levels should in theory, be better qualified to navigate and break through those things.

I’m genuinely curious what you believe makes him the right choice.

Yes, you’ve made it clear that you enjoy using memes and links to make your points, which is fine, but why are you avoiding actually defending your position? You’ve been vocal about your belief that Hegseth will be a strong choice for SecDef, and I’m genuinely curious as to why. I’m not trying to mess with you, I’m honestly looking for a reason to feel confident about him since we’re likely stuck with the man for the next four years.

This isn’t the dot thread. If you’re not interested in participating in meaningful discussion here, then keep the memes there and stop dropping one-liners just to stir the pot before disappearing.

 

[Muppet]

‘Calexit’ initiative could see Californians deciding whether they want the Golden State to leave the US

This won't happen because it's just a small percentage of delusional leftists, but I think it would be interesting to let them succeed and see how fast they realized they fucked up. Then, it would be fun to invade their country, take it back, and install a puppet administration.

 

[R.Caerbannog]

Yes, you’ve made it clear that you enjoy using memes and links to make your points, which is fine, but why are you avoiding actually defending your position? You’ve been vocal about your belief that Hegseth will be a strong choice for SecDef, and I’m genuinely curious as to why. I’m not trying to mess with you, I’m honestly looking for a reason to feel confident about him since we’re likely stuck with the man for the next four years.

This isn’t the dot thread. If you’re not interested in participating in meaningful discussion here, then keep the memes there and stop dropping one-liners just to stir the pot before disappearing.

That's the beauty of memes. You can convey the absurdity of a complex topic and absolutely shatter a carefully crafted consensus using a simple image. Back in 2019, when you and others forbade talking about the Biden's and Hunter's laptop, the image below would have shown the absurdity of some of your collective positions (pre 2019-20).

Example:


As for everything else... have you read some of your posts dude? For example.

In regards to Hegseth, I’m having a difficult time believing that he was the best option. His personal challenges are a non-factor to me, and his military background will resonate with the Services; as will his history of Veteran advocacy. But I just don’t see anything in his background that makes me believe that he has the top level experience to efficiently navigate the Pentagon bureaucracy as it exists; I’m concerned that he will be easily influenced because he does not know better, or worse, dig in his heels on something because he does not understand the consequences.

I use myself as an example. I’ve been with the same company for many years, I am a successful and well thought of middle manager, and have a pretty good feel for what makes the wheels spin. That said, if I got an email tomorrow that I was being promoted to CEO, I’d be in way over my head and miserably fail. That is my concern with Hegseth.

In my scenario I’d do my best to surround myself with smart people who could guide me, but I don’t know that he will do that; especially if he is taking order from Trump, who tends to bring into his circle sycophants versus people who will challenge and oppose him. ( I accept in advance that that statement may be challenged and pushed back against, but that’s how I feel)

Per the bolded, did you forget the freak shows and traitorous bureaucrats from the previous administration? What about the false accusations made by these people or the DNC being the party of "sane adults"? Cause we have entire threads going back 8+ years showcasing their lunacy.

Here, lemme refresh your memory of these "smart people" and what they've done.




Why the memory refresh? You're essentially arguing that Hegseth is inexperienced and will do what President Trump tells him. Guess what? That's why I want him there. He's not some brainwashed, closet Marxist, DEI hire. Dude's a grunt and I bet he's pissed about how the Pentagon and State Dept. fucked up Afghanistan and sabotaged our military with DEI/neo-Marxist garbage. As for experienced counsel... there are plenty of other people, who aren't backstabbing DC sycophants, that actually care about National Security.

So before you say I don't, "participate in meaningful discussion". Go back and check the archives, along with the date and time of my postings. I've been pretty good at calling things. Given our "interactions" over the past 9+ years, I don't trust you. Hence me drip feeding information.

 

[ThunderHorse]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1883341797252010205

The DoD bureaucracy is wildly larger than it was in WWII due to lobbying and the deep state techocracy that wants to keeps its jobs. Everyone tells us how technology should streamline things and stuff.

Well...it should be easier to have permanent staff roles for Colonels who are just not able to be commanders but can be great staffers to be permanent colonels again. These used to exist. Then Permanent Brigadier Generals. But the volume of 2 stars and 3 stars that float around for staff roles is WILD. In some of these commands you have a 2 star leading a staff section because you're using it as a warming bench...how long is that effective. We have Corps HQs which now are higher than Army HQs as we've relegated Armies to sustainment commands. Yet both are 3 star commands and the Army HQ is generally not led by an officer whose trade is that of a sustainer. There is no way in hell that our current conflicts are so much more complicated that needed to add an onion's worth of bureaucracy

Our current force structure is effed.

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Y'all remember that when Jill was elected to office the talking heads said that America was voting for a return to normal politics, the kind where you screamed at each other in person and your mistresses stayed quiet because the .gov was the organization behind paying your settlement and not your own pocketbook.

Well, what we got was not normal, what we got was an attack on normal society. That is why Trump won, to drain the swamp, but to get Washington back to a place where normal is the norm. To get rid of Child Groomers who are pushing the drag shows in libraries and the chemical castration of 6 year olds by their liberal crazy parents.

 

[Topkick]

You’ve been vocal about your belief that Hegseth will be a strong choice for SecDef, and I’m genuinely curious as to why.

I'm not trying to be controversial but I'm curious why you think he is not a good choice? Lloyd was extremely "qualified" and look what a shit job he did...

I'm sick of the establishment. Hence my support for Trump. The reasons "they" don't like them are the reasons I do.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

I'm not trying to be controversial but I'm curious why you think he is not a good choice? Lloyd was extremely "qualified" and look what a shit job he did...

I'm sick of the establishment. Hence my support for Trump. The reasons "they" don't like them are the reasons I do.

**Quoting myself from a few pages back**

Preface this by saying I voted for Trump…not because I believe that he’s the answer, but because I felt left with no better option.

In regards to Hegseth, I’m having a difficult time believing that he was the best option. His personal challenges are a non-factor to me, and his military background will resonate with the Services; as will his history of Veteran advocacy. But I just don’t see anything in his background that makes me believe that he has the top level experience to efficiently navigate the Pentagon bureaucracy as it exists; I’m concerned that he will be easily influenced because he does not know better, or worse, dig in his heels on something because he does not understand the consequences.

I use myself as an example. I’ve been with the same company for many years, I am a successful and well thought of middle manager, and have a pretty good feel for what makes the wheels spin. That said, if I got an email tomorrow that I was being promoted to CEO, I’d be in way over my head and miserably fail. That is my concern with Hegseth.

In my scenario I’d do my best to surround myself with smart people who could guide me, but I don’t know that he will do that; especially if he is taking order from Trump, who tends to bring into his circle sycophants versus people who will challenge and oppose him. ( I accept in advance that that statement may be challenged and pushed back against, but that’s how I feel)

 

[Topkick]

But I just don’t see anything in his background that makes me believe that he has the top level experience to efficiently navigate the Pentagon bureaucracy as it exists; I’m concerned that he will be easily influenced

Fair enough, but I see it the opposite way. I do not think he and the CinC will be easily influenced by establishment insiders and that's exactly what I voted for.

 

[Topkick]

Fair enough, but I see it the opposite way. I do not think he and the CinC will be easily influenced by establishment insiders and that's exactly what I voted for.

I'll add that I thought Lloyd Austin was a decent choice and would be the one solid in the Biden administration. "Qualified" didn't get it done.

 

[ThunderHorse]

**Quoting myself from a few pages back**

Preface this by saying I voted for Trump…not because I believe that he’s the answer, but because I felt left with no better option.

In regards to Hegseth, I’m having a difficult time believing that he was the best option. His personal challenges are a non-factor to me, and his military background will resonate with the Services; as will his history of Veteran advocacy. But I just don’t see anything in his background that makes me believe that he has the top level experience to efficiently navigate the Pentagon bureaucracy as it exists; I’m concerned that he will be easily influenced because he does not know better, or worse, dig in his heels on something because he does not understand the consequences.

I use myself as an example. I’ve been with the same company for many years, I am a successful and well thought of middle manager, and have a pretty good feel for what makes the wheels spin. That said, if I got an email tomorrow that I was being promoted to CEO, I’d be in way over my head and miserably fail. That is my concern with Hegseth.

In my scenario I’d do my best to surround myself with smart people who could guide me, but I don’t know that he will do that; especially if he is taking order from Trump, who tends to bring into his circle sycophants versus people who will challenge and oppose him. ( I accept in advance that that statement may be challenged and pushed back against, but that’s how I feel)

I think people are incredibly disingenuous about what he's actually done. I get that he doesn't have the mid-tier executive experience that you or I have. But he went to Princeton and was a Wallstreet Analyst for Bear Stearns and JP Morgan. He will likely do something a SecDef hasn't done since McNamara and go line by line through the DOD level budget and trim fat, then he will go through the Service Budgets line by line and redirect funding or trim fat. Re-orienting money towards training. Our Navy right now is woefully under trained hence all these relief for causes and shipboard accidents.

We'll see how it goes, but it literally cannot get any worse than it already is where we have an O-3 and 0-4 manning crisis due to the culture that was created in the Obama years. So many dudes just decided they were done. At least that's how it is in the Army.

I'll add that I thought Lloyd Austin was a decent choice and would be the one solid in the Biden administration. "Qualified" didn't get it done.

I would say he was a poor choice, there was quite a bit of criticism on this board for his actual character as a commander. But if you just looked at a resume that could resonate, his did. But we knew better. We're also seeing a lot of military establishment is just politicians, not commanders and they lean democratic which leads to...hellscapes.

 

[Devildoc]

No doubt he's qualified. Is he the most qualified? Of course not. But if he, or anyone, meets the qualifications, .

People project who is/isn't qualified based on their own values and judgment.

I hate to try to equate qualified based on education/military experience, etc. We've had plenty of secdefs who looked pretty on paper but were walking clusterfucks. So in absence of correlation between resume and outcome, how can we conclude he's not qualified?

 

[RackMaster]

The FAFO Presidency.

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That's gonna' be this thread for the next 4 years. Some variation of the above, actual cadence may vary, some restrictions apply.

Republicans have about 2 years to make shit happen, because if history is any indication the House and Senate will flop over and then the Trump agenda comes to a screeching halt. In fact, I'd be willing to bet a lot of folks are going to fight delaying actions until that flop occurs....because they know that's how long they have to hold out.

 

[RackMaster]

That was fast.

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[ThunderHorse]

I think we did this before: Big stick ideology - Wikipedia

 

[Salt USMC]

Pete Hegseth is a DEI hire #changemymind

 

[GOTWA]

Pete Hegseth is a DEI hire #changemymind

I'll give you 1/3.

 

[Marauder06]

 

[Salt USMC]

I'll give you 1/3.

Sorry man. I’m out of practice

 

[Marauder06]

Pete Hegseth is a DEI hire #changemymind

I don't understand the statement. Is this satire?

 

[Muppet]