The Trump Presidency 2.0
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The topic of "If they had it they would have used it" is really interesting. I use it as a check on "Could this information be true"?
If the left had proof that Trump led an insurrection on J6, they wouldn't have deleted the evidence, and the committee members wouldn't have been offered a pardon (to be fair, many didn't take it). If the FBI had evidence that the J6 pipebomber was a right wing activist, that investigation wouldn't have been stopped by the DOJ immediately and memory holed. If the two assassins were really republicans that were trying to stop hitler, we would know what's on their cell phones and who supported them. If Trump was dead to rights on the flight list, they would have aired it out. If his sons were raging coke-heads and they violated the FARA act, they'd have published it. If Jared Kushner made billions off of real estate and did so illegally while he was part of the Trump cabinet, they'd bring the charges. If Trump really did say "Very fine people" in Charlottesvlille, they wouldn't need to doctor the clip and not play the next :30 seconds where he completely blows that hoax out of the water. If the Steele dossier had been true, that thing would have been made public with pictures on day 1. If Trump was suffering from mental decline and dementia as bad as Biden (a real narrative for like 2 months!) there would be a litany of doctors lining up to bring him down. The list goes on and on.
If the left-wing media machine and all their acolytes had the slightest bit of information that could harm Trump, trust me, we would know. Trump- like no other politician in history- has been scrutinized and examined and publicly exposed, and the best they came up with is Trump saying rich dudes can grab women by their genitals and sometimes he drinks water with 2 hands, and an intern wrote the wrong entry on a campaign ledger and that somehow is 34 felonies past the statute of limitations. To see everything they have done and then say "Well, he has this OTHER THING we've been talking about for years and it's just about to break!" is crazy to me.
There is a very real possibility (I think probablilty) that there isn't a "there there". But again, weird stuff happens 10 times a day now, so who knows what's going to happen.
If the left had proof that Trump led an insurrection on J6, they wouldn't have deleted the evidence, and the committee members wouldn't have been offered a pardon (to be fair, many didn't take it). If the FBI had evidence that the J6 pipebomber was a right wing activist, that investigation wouldn't have been stopped by the DOJ immediately and memory holed. If the two assassins were really republicans that were trying to stop hitler, we would know what's on their cell phones and who supported them. If Trump was dead to rights on the flight list, they would have aired it out. If his sons were raging coke-heads and they violated the FARA act, they'd have published it. If Jared Kushner made billions off of real estate and did so illegally while he was part of the Trump cabinet, they'd bring the charges. If Trump really did say "Very fine people" in Charlottesvlille, they wouldn't need to doctor the clip and not play the next :30 seconds where he completely blows that hoax out of the water. If the Steele dossier had been true, that thing would have been made public with pictures on day 1. If Trump was suffering from mental decline and dementia as bad as Biden (a real narrative for like 2 months!) there would be a litany of doctors lining up to bring him down. The list goes on and on.
If the left-wing media machine and all their acolytes had the slightest bit of information that could harm Trump, trust me, we would know. Trump- like no other politician in history- has been scrutinized and examined and publicly exposed, and the best they came up with is Trump saying rich dudes can grab women by their genitals and sometimes he drinks water with 2 hands, and an intern wrote the wrong entry on a campaign ledger and that somehow is 34 felonies past the statute of limitations. To see everything they have done and then say "Well, he has this OTHER THING we've been talking about for years and it's just about to break!" is crazy to me.
There is a very real possibility (I think probablilty) that there isn't a "there there". But again, weird stuff happens 10 times a day now, so who knows what's going to happen.
Here's a hypothetical- let's say Bondi and Kash release everything. All the logs, all the names, everything you got. My assessment ends up being accurate- he distanced himself from Epstein and then helped in his prosecution.
Do you think the blob (the left wing politicians, news outlets, pundits, corporations) actually give Trump kudos, or do you think they create a narrative that he's hidden his own malfeasance with the help of his own admin? Even if it turns out he's completely clean (hypothetical)- is THAT enough for everyone here on the board, and the larger populous?
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No.
It will never be enough.
He will always be hiding "something" because the media told me so and by golly - if George Snuffleupagus, David Muir, Rachel Madcow, the entire cast of 'The View' and Joy Reid all say he did it...
...well, for me to admit to anything less would be an admission that I am either STOOPID or I am more easily swayed than a religious cult member full of LSD
The truth of the matter is - I'm Good Enough, I'm Smart Enough, and Doggone It, People Like Me!
Sooooo....
...no, even if it turns out that he is completely clean - it will NEVER be enough
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Enough? There's never enough, they will find something, invent it, whatever.
He still has an obligation to release the info. We'll never see eye-to-eye on this topic, I understand. I think that Trump and Kash have talked about pedo Joe (which his kiddie-hair sniffing ass is), transparency, protecting our kids from Trans everything (which they should), and on and on.
They need to release something.
Good post. I learned a lot of shit I neeevvvveeerrrrr thought about.
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Kash Patel didn’t commit suicide. Yet.
We see eye to eye on it- release everything. All of it, no matter who it burns. We agree that showing up on a flight log 25 years ago isn't the same as taking international trips 25 times and having your picture on the pedo sex island.
Where we disagree is the end state, which you highlighted in your answer- it won't be enough. Release it, don't release it, he's on it, he's not on it- it's the "turning your pockets out" meme IRL.
Orange man bad, and no amount of releasing the truth will change that, IMO. Nothing he does will ever be enough, because it's him. Then we just move the goalposts for "what he has an obligation to do" and whinge about that. It's tiresome.
Wood chipper. Publicly name and shame them all.
It's very curious to me how it hasn't been leaked (maybe it has and I just didn't notice?). EVERYTHING else gets leaked.
If Trump is on it, he's on it. But if he was on it, I think it would have been made very public sometime around... I don't know last October.
I agree, except how do you manage to leak that bit of info without nuking some of your own peeps in the process? I think the Epstein evidence is a like a Cold War "dead man's hand" release system or a MAD-type scenario. If it goes public, it fundamentally changes history. I don't think Trump was in on it, but I think he's blocking it because a LOT of his bro-bros are...which still makes him an accomplice or accessary after the fact.
If you're innocent, but covering up to protect someone else, then you're still guilty, just not a pedophile or sex trafficker in this case. Those are simple facts, regardless of who is involved.
It won't matter, though. If the USAID thing plays out, that's what will get him whacked and his surviving USSS detail some amazing book deals.
Do you think he's actively blocking it? Or is it possible on his list of thousands of things he's doing (220+ and counting) that he's waiting for the noms? If his admin (Bondi specifically) said on her first day in the office that it was a priority to release it, she would have the power to do so. And so did his FBI nom (Kash)- he will also have the power to do so, especially in coordination with DOJ. That leads me to believe he's doing the opposite of blocking it, he's nominated and placed people with the constitution to do it. Just my rose colored glasses, I'll admit.
I totally agree in self-preservation and blocking something that could hurt you politically, but that's not what the actions of the admin lead me to believe.
This. If they had it, and even if it took some of their own down- recent history leads me to believe they'd have done it to take Trump down. I am only basing this off of EVERYTHING THEY'VE DONE IN THE LAST 16 YEARS OF NEARLY UNINTERRUPTED GOVERNMENTAL POWER AND INFLUENCE.
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