The Trump Presidency 2.0
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Now this makes sense, especially since the usual suspects are breaking out the Russia collusion talking points again.
Huge piece of context people are missing.
With peace a breath away, all Zelensky had to do for his countrymen (these people I was told I should REVERE for their nationalism and willingness to fight for their homeland) the people he was elected to protect- was sign the deal and have a presser. He didn't do it, then went into the Oval Office in a track suit and behaved like a child and was summarily spanked for it.
Trump paved the way to an end to Ukranian bloodshed by bringing the other party to the table, set the conditions for Zelensky to be the hero, and then Zelensky took a shit on all of that. And now the MSM has resorted to playbook item #1- Orange Man Bad.
And you wonder why American trust in our institutions is bottomed out. Spare me the drama.
If Alex Vindman endorsed air I would cut gills into my neck and jump in the ocean.
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Oh, I have no hard evidence for this—it's just my opinion. I’m a man who voted for Trump because I felt the Democrats were catering too much to their extreme, anti-American wing. But now, I find myself asking, why is Trump parroting Russian talking points, blaming Ukraine for the war while never once directly saying, "Hey Russia, you’re to blame too"? Is he playing some kind of fancy 5D chess move, appealing to Putin? I mean, I thought Trump was supposed to be tough, yet he’s only shown real toughness when dealing with Zelensky. Now, I get the argument—"If you're mean to him, he won’t sign a deal, so let’s be nice." But what deal are we even talking about? Trump has shown his cards—he wants out of Ukraine. So what’s the internal deal being set up here? Zelensky asked for security guarantees, and Trump’s camp ignored him—even the reporter pressing the question was brushed off. Why? I think it’s because they have no intention of securing anything, except whatever money they can grab. Zelensky did mess up—he should have known that Trump loves to have his ego stroked. Yesterday was supposed to be the moment where Trump signs a deal, his guys get a cut, his friends and business partners get a little piece of the action. Sure, Ukraine loses a lot of territory, Russia probably rebuilds its army and finishes Ukraine off for good later, but hey, Trump gets to say he made a deal and made some money along the way. No sweat off his back. Putin, meanwhile, knows exactly how to play Trump now. Trump isn’t a wild card anymore—he’s been in politics for nearly a decade. Putin is no idiot; he likely lavished Trump with praise, trashed Biden, stroked his ego, saying he was the only one they wanted to do business with in terms of a peace deal. Maybe they even offered him a little something for his troubles. Does Europe need to step up? Absolutely. It’s their backyard that’s in trouble. They need to send more money, more support. Can Ukraine win the war? Not militarily. But they can win politically. If Ukraine is hurting for bodies, so is Russia. I know Russia doesn’t care about casualties—they're used to throwing people into the grinder in wars. But what about their army’s long-term sustainability? Trump could have told Putin, "We want peace, but this can't keep happening every five years—you can't just take another piece of Ukraine and expect no consequences." He could have made it clear, "We can fund Ukraine all day until Russia’s army is completely drained—even if they manage to take the country, they'll just be dealing with an insurgency that makes things worse." But instead, it seems like he’s playing into Putin’s hands. Of course, this is just my opinion—I could be totally wrong, or I could be right. But I feel like yesterday was a significant moment for us and the world. Maybe it leads to something good, or maybe we’ll look back and say, "Man, we really screwed up there."
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Russian Talking Points -
There's dozens more in this thread calling Zelensky a dictator and no balance from the posters. Who's a dictator? Putin is. Who has committed Genocide? Putin has. But hey, a little bit of corruption and we're automatically turning on an ally and going whole hog in support of the enemy?
Are we for real? Where's @Polar Bear when we need him to lay down the sense.
Russia began all this with the taking of Abkhazia and South Ossetia using what were effectively Hitler's talking points around occupying parts of Czechoslovakia "protection of ethnic Germans". Which is how the Donbas bullshit and take over of Crimea began. Russia had no right to Crimea, Ukraine got saddled with those bases after we forced them to give up their Nukes.
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So I ask you, who invaded who? Who raped and murdered women and Children like Hamas did? Who removed Ukrainian children from their families and put them up for adoption in Russia?
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Got it. Orange man bad, you want the war to keep going. Could have saved 500 words or so.
Everything I needed to know was complete after word 8.
Easy- Russia did and I’ve never even intimated anything else, you’re just obviously super emotional and grasping for straws. My ideological consistency here you may disagree with but in no way have I ever been anything close to your allegation.
-2 points, you’re at -3. At -5 you get a desagulation.
I 100% stand by the maidan revolution post, and how you can classify a verified fact as a Russian talking point to weild is just a bad faith ad-hom, which I won’t do in return.
You’ve created a false binary where everything you don’t agree with- not fact patterns- on the issue makes it ‘pro Russian’. And don’t use dead kids and raped women an appeal to emotion, it’s a disgusting way to make a point. -4.
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Lol. Not one of those quotes you included are actually "pro- Russian." They just don't fit your agenda. You want the war to continue, I don't.
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I will await the court case or admission by the US Government that the Maidan was orchestrated by the US, and even if it was, then now you're retreating?
Ukraine when Yanukovych was elected was on its way into the EU, he being a Russian puppet stopped their westernization and then used the police to beat the shit out of his people. I get that Europeans tend to actually riot and force their elected representatives to do their job a lot more than we do except if you're a Democrat (BLM Riots).
But there's plenty of writing and documentaries on how that happened, @Polar Bear even suggested one: Winter on Fire.
My positions are consistent I want what is in the best Grand Strategic interests of the US. In some cases that involves bleeding our enemies. In some cases that involves us not getting in the way of people killing our enemies. I also know that we can't export our kind of Freedom anywhere unless we're willing to occupy a country and remove the social structure that existed for a minimum of 50 years.
Our President all of a sudden sucking off Putin's [eggplant] ain't it hoss. And that's what's happening. If we want the war to end there are many many other ways.
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BAHAHA typing it out made me laugh. How can you not love this timeline?!
...and I'm here for it
what's up with people on this site making me look up words? ;)
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So now that I'm done with this whole thing and the odd parroting of Russian talking points and people saying they aren't Russian talking points but not able to admit that Russia is the problem and not Ukrainians fighting a war of survival (Putin says Ukraine is not a country). We get back to this interesting piece of theatre where previously Zelensky thanked us at least 33 times. But we're all focused on the 5 minutes after JD Vance acts like a complete shitbird always getting in trouble Army SPEC-4 instead of the Marine Corporal that he is. Or is it that JD wanted to press some of Trump's buttons idk. Anyways, JD is a lot smarter than this and he should go haze himself for a week.I finally watched the entire press conference. It started with a very different tone. It's interesting and weird how quickly it turned.
As the post below indicates, this really occured once JD Vance stepped into it.
The day before the release, AG Bondi was on Glenn Beck’s show claiming that the American public would be “sickened” by what was in the files. They make this big show of handing out these files, which were just part 1 of many(!) to esteemed journalists like LibsofTiktok.
Then all of a sudden she’s claiming that the don’t have everything and an FBI field office is withholding docs?
If her IO plan was to make the AG’s office look incompetent, then job well done.
So what’s the position here?
I thought this was a really good analysis. I can't attribute it, I don't who the author was. Everything fits contextually
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Many of you probably watched what took place between Donald Trump and Zelenskyy tonight. Whether you're a Democrat or a Republican, you might be thinking to yourself, Oh my God, Donald Trump just screwed up.
However, as a lifelong practitioner of martial arts, strategy, and philosophy, let me explain the difference between what you believe you witnessed and what actually happened.
Donald Trump has been under constant political persecution since the beginning of his first term. Over time, he has learned to be patient and calculated.
Tonight, Zelenskyy was invited to the Oval Office. However, both Trump and JD Vance knew exactly what Zelenskyy was going to do—he would use this opportunity, in front of the American people, to make a power play. Both Trump and Vance anticipated this.
When Zelenskyy began appealing to the emotions of the American people, JD Vance stepped in, accusing him of disrespecting Donald Trump. This was brilliant strategy. It’s important to understand that Zelenskyy is trying to gain access to NATO.
Trump knew this but could not allow it to happen. If Ukraine joins NATO, the U.S. would be bound by NATO’s collective defense agreement—an attack on one is an attack on all.
Now consider the larger implications: Ukraine and Russia despise each other. If Ukraine were to become a NATO member, any future skirmish between them would obligate the U.S. to enter into direct conflict with Russia. This would mean World War III. And if that happened, China would have to choose a side—they would almost certainly align with Russia.
So what you witnessed tonight was a setup. Trump and JD Vance knew that the only way to achieve peace was to strategically align, at least on the surface, with Russia. Why? Because Russia would never sign a peace treaty if Ukraine were admitted into NATO.
This is why Trump dismantled Zelenskyy’s argument. And when Zelenskyy, seeing his play failing, tried to backtrack and offer a treaty, Trump refused.
Zelenskyy’s real intent was clear—he would not agree to peace unless security guarantees were in place. But what was he actually saying? That NATO must accept Ukraine. However, Russia would never agree to peace, knowing that NATO, their historical adversary, would surround them.
Zelenskyy, Putin, and Trump all knew this. Zelenskyy, thinking he had Democrats' support, believed he could make this bold move on live television. But Trump and Vance saw right through it and outmaneuvered him.
They knew that, in the short term, Democrats and the media would try to use this moment against them. But they also knew they had two years before midterms to prove their strategy was the right one. So they held their ground—brilliantly so.
Now, Zelenskyy will have no choice but to back down and accept Trump's terms. But here’s the genius part—Trump is actually protecting Ukraine without dragging the U.S. into war.
By negotiating a mineral deal, Trump ensures that Americans will be involved in Ukraine’s mining industry. This prevents Russia from launching an invasion, because attacking Ukraine would mean endangering American lives—something that would force the U.S. to respond.
Trump played both sides like a master chess player. In the end, Zelenskyy will have no choice but to concede, because without U.S. support, Ukraine cannot win a prolonged war against Russia. And once U.S. companies have mining operations in Ukraine, Putin will be unable to attack without triggering massive international consequences.
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Many of you probably watched what took place between Donald Trump and Zelenskyy tonight. Whether you're a Democrat or a Republican, you might be thinking to yourself, Oh my God, Donald Trump just screwed up.
However, as a lifelong practitioner of martial arts, strategy, and philosophy, let me explain the difference between what you believe you witnessed and what actually happened.
Donald Trump has been under constant political persecution since the beginning of his first term. Over time, he has learned to be patient and calculated.
Tonight, Zelenskyy was invited to the Oval Office. However, both Trump and JD Vance knew exactly what Zelenskyy was going to do—he would use this opportunity, in front of the American people, to make a power play. Both Trump and Vance anticipated this.
When Zelenskyy began appealing to the emotions of the American people, JD Vance stepped in, accusing him of disrespecting Donald Trump. This was brilliant strategy. It’s important to understand that Zelenskyy is trying to gain access to NATO.
Trump knew this but could not allow it to happen. If Ukraine joins NATO, the U.S. would be bound by NATO’s collective defense agreement—an attack on one is an attack on all.
Now consider the larger implications: Ukraine and Russia despise each other. If Ukraine were to become a NATO member, any future skirmish between them would obligate the U.S. to enter into direct conflict with Russia. This would mean World War III. And if that happened, China would have to choose a side—they would almost certainly align with Russia.
So what you witnessed tonight was a setup. Trump and JD Vance knew that the only way to achieve peace was to strategically align, at least on the surface, with Russia. Why? Because Russia would never sign a peace treaty if Ukraine were admitted into NATO.
This is why Trump dismantled Zelenskyy’s argument. And when Zelenskyy, seeing his play failing, tried to backtrack and offer a treaty, Trump refused.
Zelenskyy’s real intent was clear—he would not agree to peace unless security guarantees were in place. But what was he actually saying? That NATO must accept Ukraine. However, Russia would never agree to peace, knowing that NATO, their historical adversary, would surround them.
Zelenskyy, Putin, and Trump all knew this. Zelenskyy, thinking he had Democrats' support, believed he could make this bold move on live television. But Trump and Vance saw right through it and outmaneuvered him.
They knew that, in the short term, Democrats and the media would try to use this moment against them. But they also knew they had two years before midterms to prove their strategy was the right one. So they held their ground—brilliantly so.
Now, Zelenskyy will have no choice but to back down and accept Trump's terms. But here’s the genius part—Trump is actually protecting Ukraine without dragging the U.S. into war.
By negotiating a mineral deal, Trump ensures that Americans will be involved in Ukraine’s mining industry. This prevents Russia from launching an invasion, because attacking Ukraine would mean endangering American lives—something that would force the U.S. to respond.
Trump played both sides like a master chess player. In the end, Zelenskyy will have no choice but to concede, because without U.S. support, Ukraine cannot win a prolonged war against Russia. And once U.S. companies have mining operations in Ukraine, Putin will be unable to attack without triggering massive international consequences.
The Ukrainians have done an excellent job at fighting off Ivan. Most everything besides the small drones came from us, I dont even think the NATO countries added that many heavy weapons. Russia still has tens of millions of men, plus NORKs, plus whoever else, to send to their deaths. Ukraine does not. Europe isn't going to put troops on the ground, if they were, it would have happened without our help..
Russia is the mentally ill guy let out of jail in NYC to commit 30 more robberies and assaults. They aren't running out of anything it appears.
Are the EU nations going to commit to the rebuilding of the U.S. after we get struck by Russian hypersonic nukes? That is, if things get that out of hand.
If that's their plan, they should let us know.
Russia is the mentally ill guy let out of jail in NYC to commit 30 more robberies and assaults. They aren't running out of anything it appears.
Are the EU nations going to commit to the rebuilding of the U.S. after we get struck by Russian hypersonic nukes? That is, if things get that out of hand.
If that's their plan, they should let us know.
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