Bondi just charged 3 folks with domestic terror for firebombing Teslas.
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I'm glad to see this.
Those charges were for violence against dealerships and/ or charging stations. I'm curious to see if this will extend to POVs parked at a grocery store, driveway, mall, etc.
Th lion, the witch and the AUDACITY of this... judge.
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"Nope."
Exactly it. Just straight up ignore it. In the immortal words of the Last Mr. Big- take that shit to trial.
We talked about it earlier in the thread- along with the optics of getting Democrats to defend the 20 in all these 80/20 issues, all these legal challenges to the EO's are exactly what's going to drive judicial review and formalization of legislation. Drop EO, get challenged, take it to SC, SC rules, that becomes law of the land. IMO he doesn't win every court fight, but he wins the majority.
The Department of Ed is a little wonky; it can't be dissolved without Congress (Congress formalized Department of Ed)- but Trump can 100% take away all discretionary funding and gut the agency's impact without Congressional approval, which looks to be what he is doing.
I had this thought: Let's say you have one of those "Bought it before we knew Elon was crazy" stickers on your car and the car is damaged or destroyed. I'd think we're still looking at domestic terrorism and charges.
Thoughts?
Oh yeah man, 110%. These attacks are the definition of domestic terror, whether they happen to a company or an individual citizen. It's quite clearly meant to intimidate individual citizens through terror.
18 US Code § 2331- Occurs within the US; dangerous acts to human life that violate criminal laws; intended to intimidate or coerce civilian population or influence government policy by intimidation or coercion or affect the conduct of government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping.
Tesla was just removed from the Vancouver International Auto Show- because the organizers feared terror attacks and the risk was too high for them to include Tesla.
I don't want to make another post, but just a random thought- does anyone find it weird that the "anti-fascist tolerant left" immediately resorts to using Nazi imagery (swastika) in their "mostly peaceful 1st amendment protected protests of a private business" domestic terror attacks?
I'd prefer to see Congress actually do their jobs instead of trying to use the
What's going to happen next time a Dem gets into office and decides to be FDR 2.0? Is that an overreach of authority, or just established precedent by that time?
Are Consevative judges that will push back just activist stooges who should be impeached, or are they correctly limiting the legal authority of the executive?
They're hypothetical questions, but we broadly know for most people (left or right) the answers are "My guy good; your guy bad".
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Isn't Congress the Legislative branch?
And that's my take: pro-Elon or anti-Elon, violence cuts both ways. Do I expect more violence from the Left than the Right? Absolutely. Does that exclude the Right from doing the same? Nope, but I think the numbers will favor one side over the other...
Yeah I agree here, unfortunately the game is what the game is. The EO/challenge/court fight tactic is the fastest way to do it. Congress (and I mean every single politician, both sides) is abhorrent on actually doing what they're supposed to do, meaning, create legislation. Power has been consolidated in the Executive for way too long- and here we are.
To your bolded, I guess we would need an example of that happening. I always say "these things only go one way", so until we have as many examples of conservative judges doing that, I guess we only have to worry about the 235 progressive judges installed by the democrats in the last 4 years that were place there specifically to resist the conservative (and lawful) actions of the President.
Those aren't my words; they are Chuck Schumer's.
Judge shopping is a thing both sides do, so I don't think it's unique to the Dems. Finishing my break so don't quite have time to dig up examples, but I remember conservative judges blocking a decent chunk Biden EOs over the years. Might just be so many EOs that it is seemingly more common?
Either way, it goes back to a broader issue overall of using judges to "resist" being a problem in general.
This is what I was getting at the other day!
Conservatives will double or triple layer gloves, but libs will give up once their nose gets a bit runny.
Devildoc
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Only an act of congress can officially get rid of it but Trump can effectively do the same thing via 'death by a thousand cuts'....funding cuts here, staffing cuts there, moving certain programs to other departments.
If the front door is locked, go through the back.
And that is exactly what he's doing- moving school lunch under HHS, cutting the rot of funding administrators and their lavish paychecks as opposed to students, etc.
It's not all 7d chess all the time, but in this case, it's a well thought out plan of attack.
I was in grad school at Yale during the latter years of the Occupy protests. Some undergrads set up some tents in the Occupy space on the New Haven Green, which abuts part of campus. I was walking to class one day and I noticed the tents and the signs and they Yale protesters. I thought the entire protest was stupid, but I remarked to a colleague that I respected them for being out there in the snow and ice and cold (Connecticut in the winter) overnight. As an Army veteran approaching his 40s who spent plenty of time outdoors in the cold (thanks Korea and Afghanistan!), I wouldn't do it, even if I believed in the Occupy cause... which I didn't... because it was stupid.
Related story: Yalies stole from Occupy New Haven, Occupiers say
Anyway, my colleague informed me that I was mistaken. "They're not living there, bro." I was stunned. It sure looked like they were living there. The signs and slogans indicated they were. "It's all an act." I came back through the same area at night a few days later and it looked like he was right. While there were some hard core protesters out there who were physically living in the park, most people weren't. They'd make a big show about setting up a tent and posting signs and shouting slogans when the cameras were pointed at them, but then they'd slink back to campus to hot chow and warm beds at night.
Like many such political actions, it was purely performative.
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