The Trump Presidency 2.0

[Devildoc]

Ol' JD is a quote machine:

In an interview:

Vince Coglianese: "How are you doing the job differently than Kamala did it?"

Vance: "Well, I don't have four shots of vodka before every meeting..."

 

[amlove21]

I got into an argument with my wife who is an attorney because she mentioned Justice Roberts remarks and my issue is with the substance of the TRNA TRO...like get effed, they are criminal aliens. They have no standing as it is, deported.

There have been 22 impeachments, 15 of them have been judges...but the last impeachment wasn't over rulings it was over that dude liking kiddy porn.

So yeah, the POTUS probably shouldn't be calling for impeachments of every judge...but this one guy should take a hike.

Oh do you mean the same Justice Roberts that handpicked and placed Judge Boasberg on the FISA/Trump case? I wonder why he’s so firm in his singular assessment that the judge shouldn’t be impeached.

 

[amlove21]

Bondi just charged 3 folks with domestic terror for firebombing Teslas.

KyloRen.gif - MORE.

 

[AWP]

Bondi just charged 3 folks with domestic terror for firebombing Teslas.

KyloRen.gif - MORE.

I'm glad to see this.

Those charges were for violence against dealerships and/ or charging stations. I'm curious to see if this will extend to POVs parked at a grocery store, driveway, mall, etc.

 

[amlove21]

I'm glad to see this.

Those charges were for violence against dealerships and/ or charging stations. I'm curious to see if this will extend to POVs parked at a grocery store, driveway, mall, etc.

One can only hope!

 

[amlove21]

Th lion, the witch and the AUDACITY of this... judge.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1902815148546347291

 

[Devildoc]

Th lion, the witch and the AUDACITY of this... judge.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1902815148546347291

"Nope."

 

[amlove21]

"Nope."

Exactly it. Just straight up ignore it. In the immortal words of the Last Mr. Big- take that shit to trial.

 

[Blizzard]

Another executive order and the Dept of Education is on the way to to closing it's doors.

My question is: When is Congress going to start following all these EOs with bills?

 

[amlove21]

Another executive order and the Dept of Education is on the way to to closing it's doors.

My question is: When is Congress going to start following all these EOs with bills?

We talked about it earlier in the thread- along with the optics of getting Democrats to defend the 20 in all these 80/20 issues, all these legal challenges to the EO's are exactly what's going to drive judicial review and formalization of legislation. Drop EO, get challenged, take it to SC, SC rules, that becomes law of the land. IMO he doesn't win every court fight, but he wins the majority.

The Department of Ed is a little wonky; it can't be dissolved without Congress (Congress formalized Department of Ed)- but Trump can 100% take away all discretionary funding and gut the agency's impact without Congressional approval, which looks to be what he is doing.

 

[AWP]

One can only hope!

I had this thought: Let's say you have one of those "Bought it before we knew Elon was crazy" stickers on your car and the car is damaged or destroyed. I'd think we're still looking at domestic terrorism and charges.

Thoughts?

 

[amlove21]

I had this thought: Let's say you have one of those "Bought it before we knew Elon was crazy" stickers on your car and the car is damaged or destroyed. I'd think we're still looking at domestic terrorism and charges.

Thoughts?

Oh yeah man, 110%. These attacks are the definition of domestic terror, whether they happen to a company or an individual citizen. It's quite clearly meant to intimidate individual citizens through terror.

18 US Code § 2331- Occurs within the US; dangerous acts to human life that violate criminal laws; intended to intimidate or coerce civilian population or influence government policy by intimidation or coercion or affect the conduct of government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping.

Tesla was just removed from the Vancouver International Auto Show- because the organizers feared terror attacks and the risk was too high for them to include Tesla.

I don't want to make another post, but just a random thought- does anyone find it weird that the "anti-fascist tolerant left" immediately resorts to using Nazi imagery (swastika) in their "mostly peaceful 1st amendment protected protests of a private business" domestic terror attacks?

 

[Cookie_]

Drop EO, get challenged, take it to SC, SC rules, that becomes law of the land.

I'd prefer to see Congress actually do their jobs instead of trying to use the Legislative judicial as a work around. It's not illegal, but it is giving much more power to the executive and legislative judicial.

What's going to happen next time a Dem gets into office and decides to be FDR 2.0? Is that an overreach of authority, or just established precedent by that time?
Are Consevative judges that will push back just activist stooges who should be impeached, or are they correctly limiting the legal authority of the executive?

They're hypothetical questions, but we broadly know for most people (left or right) the answers are "My guy good; your guy bad".

 

[AWP]

I'd prefer to see Congress actually do their jobs instead of trying to use the Legislative as a work around.

Isn't Congress the Legislative branch?

 

[AWP]

Oh yeah man, 110%. These attacks are the definition of domestic terror, whether they happen to a company or an individual citizen. It's quite clearly meant to intimidate individual citizens through terror.

And that's my take: pro-Elon or anti-Elon, violence cuts both ways. Do I expect more violence from the Left than the Right? Absolutely. Does that exclude the Right from doing the same? Nope, but I think the numbers will favor one side over the other...

 

[Cookie_]

Isn't Congress the Legislative branch?

Hey, I'm retarded sometimes.

Meant judicial lol

 

[amlove21]

I'd prefer to see Congress actually do their jobs instead of trying to use the Legislative judicial as a work around. It's not illegal, but it is giving much more power to the executive and legislative judicial.

What's going to happen next time a Dem gets into office and decides to be FDR 2.0? Is that an overreach of authority, or just established precedent by that time?
Are Consevative judges that will push back just activist stooges who should be impeached, or are they correctly limiting the legal authority of the executive?

They're hypothetical questions, but we broadly know for most people (left or right) the answers are "My guy good; your guy bad".

Yeah I agree here, unfortunately the game is what the game is. The EO/challenge/court fight tactic is the fastest way to do it. Congress (and I mean every single politician, both sides) is abhorrent on actually doing what they're supposed to do, meaning, create legislation. Power has been consolidated in the Executive for way too long- and here we are.

To your bolded, I guess we would need an example of that happening. I always say "these things only go one way", so until we have as many examples of conservative judges doing that, I guess we only have to worry about the 235 progressive judges installed by the democrats in the last 4 years that were place there specifically to resist the conservative (and lawful) actions of the President.

Those aren't my words; they are Chuck Schumer's.

 

[amlove21]

And that's my take: pro-Elon or anti-Elon, violence cuts both ways. Do I expect more violence from the Left than the Right? Absolutely. Does that exclude the Right from doing the same? Nope, but I think the numbers will favor one side over the other...

Activists don't protest in the cold because the left is soft. Wait till it warms up across the nation- this has been the most active winter we have seen in our lifetime with these attacks.

Stay frosty.

 

[Cookie_]

Yeah I agree here, unfortunately the game is what the game is. The EO/challenge/court fight tactic is the fastest way to do it. Congress (and I mean every single politician, both sides) is abhorrent on actually doing what they're supposed to do, meaning, create legislation. Power has been consolidated in the Executive for way too long- and here we are.

To your bolded, I guess we would need an example of that happening. I always say "these things only go one way", so until we have as many examples of conservative judges doing that, I guess we only have to worry about the 235 progressive judges installed by the democrats in the last 4 years that were place there specifically to resist the conservative (and lawful) actions of the President.

Those aren't my words; they are Chuck Schumer's.

Judge shopping is a thing both sides do, so I don't think it's unique to the Dems. Finishing my break so don't quite have time to dig up examples, but I remember conservative judges blocking a decent chunk Biden EOs over the years. Might just be so many EOs that it is seemingly more common?

Either way, it goes back to a broader issue overall of using judges to "resist" being a problem in general.

Activists don't protest in the cold because the left is soft.

This is what I was getting at the other day!
Conservatives will double or triple layer gloves, but libs will give up once their nose gets a bit runny.

 

[Devildoc]

The Department of Ed is a little wonky; it can't be dissolved without Congress (Congress formalized Department of Ed)- but Trump can 100% take away all discretionary funding and gut the agency's impact without Congressional approval, which looks to be what he is doing.

Only an act of congress can officially get rid of it but Trump can effectively do the same thing via 'death by a thousand cuts'....funding cuts here, staffing cuts there, moving certain programs to other departments.

If the front door is locked, go through the back.