The Trump Presidency 2.0

amlove21 said:
"We are serious people, that focus on serious problems. Also, I used an obscure rule to rename a bill out of spite."

Schumer forces name change for 'big, beautiful bill' moments before it passes
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Bravo Chuck, this exactly the type of pushback people want from Democratic party leadership. You really stuck it to Trump!

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On unserious people, Republican Senator Tells House Not To Vote on Bill She Just Voted For.

Republican Alaskan Senator Lisa Murkowski said Tuesday that despite voting in favor of the sweeping tax and spending package, she wants the House to return the "One Big Beautiful Bill" to the Senate for further work.
"My hope is that the House is gonna look at this and recognize that we're not there yet," Murkowski told reporters today.
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Lisa, if you felt it was that bad of a bill you could actually have some convictions and not vote for it, explaining why. People might give Paul/Tillis/Collins shit, but at least they weren't chickenshit.

This opinion is applicable to all politicians; if you toe the line on party issues but you think something is trash/needs more work and then try to put the hard part (voting no) on others, you're a punk.
 
Well - I didn't want to levy vulgarities "directly" at duly elected, sitting US Senator.
...his position does carry a degree of respect
 
Cookie_ said:
Lisa, if you felt it was that bad of a bill you could actually have some convictions and not vote for it, explaining why. People might give Paul/Tillis/Collins shit, but at least they weren't chickenshit.

This opinion is applicable to all politicians; if you toe the line on party issues but you think something is trash/needs more work and then try to put the hard part (voting no) on others, you're a punk.
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No, no, no...if you don't fall in line with your party then you are a RINO/ DINO (unless your name is "Pelosi" and then you're a wino).

Perfect presidents, perfect bills, perfect "anything", they do not exist. A win in politics is just an acceptable collection of L's on the way to your goal. You always ask for more than you want, either out of caution or as a bargaining chip, something you can trade away.

If only the sitting president were someone who understands making deals is an art.

Senator, get a spine or go away. I can at least respect someone who will fight for a belief I strongly disagree with, not a bootlicking party sycophant more concerned about re-election than the will of their people.
 
Cookie_ said:
Lisa, if you felt it was that bad of a bill you could actually have some convictions and not vote for it, explaining why. People might give Paul/Tillis/Collins shit, but at least they weren't chickenshit.

This opinion is applicable to all politicians; if you toe the line on party issues but you think something is trash/needs more work and then try to put the hard part (voting no) on others, you're a punk.
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Thom Tillis is most definitely chickenshit, and not because he didn't support the BBB. Everyone in NC is happy he is not running again.
 
TLDR20 said:
If New York wants that, let them see how it goes. No one has to live there. This is America.

In my profession, there is routinely this push for us to be involved in other people’s local or state matters. My profession and Anesthesiologists go to war in states routinely, and I get bombarded by pleas to write their reps or whatever. I have never once done so, and never will. It is literally none of my business what happens in New York, or Washington, or California. If the people vote in people to represent them, then they can bitch and moan. But here in NC, I do not give a singular fuck about the mayor of NYC. Posts about him also have nothing to do with President Trump,
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This is a generalized comment and not directed at the OP specifically.

The problem with this "it's not in my backyard" sentiment is that things like what's happening in places like New York right now don't just stay there, and they don't just affect the people who live there. New York is arguably the most important city in America, and therefore the world. The NYSE is there. The UN is there. NYC is considered to be the business and financial capital of the world. It's America's biggest city. It's a fashion and cultural hub for the US and the world. Hip hop, one of my favorite music genres, originated there. The NYC metropolitan area is the US's biggest center for air traffic, and like #2 in the world for the same.

NYC is also a bellwether of politics and social change. The Stonewall riots, which helped launch the LGBT-whatever-it's-up-to-now movement, happened in New York. The Occupy movement started there. Our current president was born, raised, and rose to fame there. BLM arguably rose to national prominence there. The bottom line is, what happens in NYC affects not only the City and NY State (about 40% of NYS's population is in NYC, which gives NYC huge sway over state-level elections and policies), it affects ALL of us. We should all care what happens in places of mass influence like NYC, LA, and DC, because even if what they're trying to inflict on the rest of the country isn't affecting you right now... it eventually will.

Things like the DEI movement and the trans movement didn't just materialize out of thin air. They were incubated and allowed to fester in places like NYC and then inflicted on the rest of the country. We can ignore things happening in the areas of major influence, but we do so at our peril. Their "great ideas" can become our nightmares before we know it.

Also, when it comes to Mamdani, a literal part of his platform is the anti-Trump agenda (because of course it is). HE is making his name relevant to a discussion in a thread about Trump, not us.
 
Marauder06 said:
This is a generalized comment and not directed at the OP specifically.

The problem with this "it's not in my backyard" sentiment is that things like what's happening in places like New York right now don't just stay there, and they don't just affect the people who live there. New York is arguably the most important city in America, and therefore the world. The NYSE is there. The UN is there. NYC is considered to be the business and financial capital of the world. It's America's biggest city. It's a fashion and cultural hub for the US and the world. Hip hop, one of my favorite music genres, originated there. The NYC metropolitan area is the US's biggest center for air traffic, and like #2 in the world for the same.

NYC is also a bellwether of politics and social change. The Stonewall riots, which helped launch the LGBT-whatever-it's-up-to-now movement, happened in New York. The Occupy movement started there. Our current president was born, raised, and rose to fame there. BLM arguably rose to national prominence there. The bottom line is, what happens in NYC affects not only the City and NY State (about 40% of NYS's population is in NYC, which gives NYC huge sway over state-level elections and policies), it affects ALL of us. We should all care what happens in places of mass influence like NYC, LA, and DC, because even if what they're trying to inflict on the rest of the country isn't affecting you right now... it eventually will.

Things like the DEI movement and the trans movement didn't just materialize out of thin air. They were incubated and allowed to fester in places like NYC and then inflicted on the rest of the country. We can ignore things happening in the areas of major influence, but we do so at our peril. Their "great ideas" can become our nightmares before we know it.

Also, when it comes to Mamdani, a literal part of his platform is the anti-Trump agenda (because of course it is). HE is making his name relevant to a discussion in a thread about Trump, not us.
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Well said. If one has ever had almost any policy course then you are familiar with "NIMBYists": Not In My Back Yard. Doesn't matter if it's a homeless shelter or the ultra-communist mayor of a city 3,000 miles away, ALL politics are local in that the trickle-down effects have significant consequences at the state and local level.

Mamdani is a shot across the bow, far worse than a cautionary tale or an idle threat.
 
Devildoc said:
Well said. If one has ever had almost any policy course then you are familiar with "NIMBYists": Not In My Back Yard. Doesn't matter if it's a homeless shelter or the ultra-communist mayor of a city 3,000 miles away, ALL politics are local in that the trickle-down effects have significant consequences at the state and local level.

Mamdani is a shot across the bow, far worse than a cautionary tale or an idle threat.
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I have a very similar conversation with some of my conservative friends when it comes to international isolationism. We live in a connected world, where what happens in one place can most definitely affect us here in the US. A famine or civil war in Africa creates a refugee crisis that involves us absorbing immigrants who go on to take political power in the US. An eastern European land grab turns into the US spending over a hundred billion dollars. Ragtag militias and pirates in and around the Red Sea interfere with global shipping, causing domestic US prices to rise. Screwing around with biological weapons in China creates a worldwide pandemic* that results in grotesque domestic government outreach and a mandatory vaccine program that not only failed to deliver as promised, but also harmed a whole bunch of recipients.*

Yes, I believe in scaling back our contributions of money and manpower to the rest of the world. But we can't just retreat back into Fortress America. We are the global hegemon, and we have global interests that need to be protected. We just need to be smarter about what those interests are, and how we prioritize them.










*allegedly
 
Marauder06 said:
This is a generalized comment and not directed at the OP specifically.

The problem with this "it's not in my backyard" sentiment is that things like what's happening in places like New York right now don't just stay there, and they don't just affect the people who live there. New York is arguably the most important city in America, and therefore the world. The NYSE is there. The UN is there. NYC is considered to be the business and financial capital of the world. It's America's biggest city. It's a fashion and cultural hub for the US and the world. Hip hop, one of my favorite music genres, originated there. The NYC metropolitan area is the US's biggest center for air traffic, and like #2 in the world for the same.

NYC is also a bellwether of politics and social change. The Stonewall riots, which helped launch the LGBT-whatever-it's-up-to-now movement, happened in New York. The Occupy movement started there. Our current president was born, raised, and rose to fame there. BLM arguably rose to national prominence there. The bottom line is, what happens in NYC affects not only the City and NY State (about 40% of NYS's population is in NYC, which gives NYC huge sway over state-level elections and policies), it affects ALL of us. We should all care what happens in places of mass influence like NYC, LA, and DC, because even if what they're trying to inflict on the rest of the country isn't affecting you right now... it eventually will.

Things like the DEI movement and the trans movement didn't just materialize out of thin air. They were incubated and allowed to fester in places like NYC and then inflicted on the rest of the country. We can ignore things happening in the areas of major influence, but we do so at our peril. Their "great ideas" can become our nightmares before we know it.

Also, when it comes to Mamdani, a literal part of his platform is the anti-Trump agenda (because of course it is). HE is making his name relevant to a discussion in a thread about Trump, not us.
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I was gonna say all this, but I didn't care enough to.
 

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