The Trump Presidency 2.0

[AWP]

Lisa, if you felt it was that bad of a bill you could actually have some convictions and not vote for it, explaining why. People might give Paul/Tillis/Collins shit, but at least they weren't chickenshit.

This opinion is applicable to all politicians; if you toe the line on party issues but you think something is trash/needs more work and then try to put the hard part (voting no) on others, you're a punk.

No, no, no...if you don't fall in line with your party then you are a RINO/ DINO (unless your name is "Pelosi" and then you're a wino).

Perfect presidents, perfect bills, perfect "anything", they do not exist. A win in politics is just an acceptable collection of L's on the way to your goal. You always ask for more than you want, either out of caution or as a bargaining chip, something you can trade away.

If only the sitting president were someone who understands making deals is an art.

Senator, get a spine or go away. I can at least respect someone who will fight for a belief I strongly disagree with, not a bootlicking party sycophant more concerned about re-election than the will of their people.

 

[Devildoc]

Lisa, if you felt it was that bad of a bill you could actually have some convictions and not vote for it, explaining why. People might give Paul/Tillis/Collins shit, but at least they weren't chickenshit.

This opinion is applicable to all politicians; if you toe the line on party issues but you think something is trash/needs more work and then try to put the hard part (voting no) on others, you're a punk.

Thom Tillis is most definitely chickenshit, and not because he didn't support the BBB. Everyone in NC is happy he is not running again.

 

[Marauder06]

If New York wants that, let them see how it goes. No one has to live there. This is America.

In my profession, there is routinely this push for us to be involved in other people’s local or state matters. My profession and Anesthesiologists go to war in states routinely, and I get bombarded by pleas to write their reps or whatever. I have never once done so, and never will. It is literally none of my business what happens in New York, or Washington, or California. If the people vote in people to represent them, then they can bitch and moan. But here in NC, I do not give a singular fuck about the mayor of NYC. Posts about him also have nothing to do with President Trump,

This is a generalized comment and not directed at the OP specifically.

The problem with this "it's not in my backyard" sentiment is that things like what's happening in places like New York right now don't just stay there, and they don't just affect the people who live there. New York is arguably the most important city in America, and therefore the world. The NYSE is there. The UN is there. NYC is considered to be the business and financial capital of the world. It's America's biggest city. It's a fashion and cultural hub for the US and the world. Hip hop, one of my favorite music genres, originated there. The NYC metropolitan area is the US's biggest center for air traffic, and like #2 in the world for the same.

NYC is also a bellwether of politics and social change. The Stonewall riots, which helped launch the LGBT-whatever-it's-up-to-now movement, happened in New York. The Occupy movement started there. Our current president was born, raised, and rose to fame there. BLM arguably rose to national prominence there. The bottom line is, what happens in NYC affects not only the City and NY State (about 40% of NYS's population is in NYC, which gives NYC huge sway over state-level elections and policies), it affects ALL of us. We should all care what happens in places of mass influence like NYC, LA, and DC, because even if what they're trying to inflict on the rest of the country isn't affecting you right now... it eventually will.

Things like the DEI movement and the trans movement didn't just materialize out of thin air. They were incubated and allowed to fester in places like NYC and then inflicted on the rest of the country. We can ignore things happening in the areas of major influence, but we do so at our peril. Their "great ideas" can become our nightmares before we know it.

Also, when it comes to Mamdani, a literal part of his platform is the anti-Trump agenda (because of course it is). HE is making his name relevant to a discussion in a thread about Trump, not us.

 

[Devildoc]

This is a generalized comment and not directed at the OP specifically.

The problem with this "it's not in my backyard" sentiment is that things like what's happening in places like New York right now don't just stay there, and they don't just affect the people who live there. New York is arguably the most important city in America, and therefore the world. The NYSE is there. The UN is there. NYC is considered to be the business and financial capital of the world. It's America's biggest city. It's a fashion and cultural hub for the US and the world. Hip hop, one of my favorite music genres, originated there. The NYC metropolitan area is the US's biggest center for air traffic, and like #2 in the world for the same.

NYC is also a bellwether of politics and social change. The Stonewall riots, which helped launch the LGBT-whatever-it's-up-to-now movement, happened in New York. The Occupy movement started there. Our current president was born, raised, and rose to fame there. BLM arguably rose to national prominence there. The bottom line is, what happens in NYC affects not only the City and NY State (about 40% of NYS's population is in NYC, which gives NYC huge sway over state-level elections and policies), it affects ALL of us. We should all care what happens in places of mass influence like NYC, LA, and DC, because even if what they're trying to inflict on the rest of the country isn't affecting you right now... it eventually will.

Things like the DEI movement and the trans movement didn't just materialize out of thin air. They were incubated and allowed to fester in places like NYC and then inflicted on the rest of the country. We can ignore things happening in the areas of major influence, but we do so at our peril. Their "great ideas" can become our nightmares before we know it.

Also, when it comes to Mamdani, a literal part of his platform is the anti-Trump agenda (because of course it is). HE is making his name relevant to a discussion in a thread about Trump, not us.

Well said. If one has ever had almost any policy course then you are familiar with "NIMBYists": Not In My Back Yard. Doesn't matter if it's a homeless shelter or the ultra-communist mayor of a city 3,000 miles away, ALL politics are local in that the trickle-down effects have significant consequences at the state and local level.

Mamdani is a shot across the bow, far worse than a cautionary tale or an idle threat.

 

[Marauder06]

Well said. If one has ever had almost any policy course then you are familiar with "NIMBYists": Not In My Back Yard. Doesn't matter if it's a homeless shelter or the ultra-communist mayor of a city 3,000 miles away, ALL politics are local in that the trickle-down effects have significant consequences at the state and local level.

Mamdani is a shot across the bow, far worse than a cautionary tale or an idle threat.

I have a very similar conversation with some of my conservative friends when it comes to international isolationism. We live in a connected world, where what happens in one place can most definitely affect us here in the US. A famine or civil war in Africa creates a refugee crisis that involves us absorbing immigrants who go on to take political power in the US. An eastern European land grab turns into the US spending over a hundred billion dollars. Ragtag militias and pirates in and around the Red Sea interfere with global shipping, causing domestic US prices to rise. Screwing around with biological weapons in China creates a worldwide pandemic* that results in grotesque domestic government outreach and a mandatory vaccine program that not only failed to deliver as promised, but also harmed a whole bunch of recipients.*

Yes, I believe in scaling back our contributions of money and manpower to the rest of the world. But we can't just retreat back into Fortress America. We are the global hegemon, and we have global interests that need to be protected. We just need to be smarter about what those interests are, and how we prioritize them.










*allegedly

 

[amlove21]

This is a generalized comment and not directed at the OP specifically.

The problem with this "it's not in my backyard" sentiment is that things like what's happening in places like New York right now don't just stay there, and they don't just affect the people who live there. New York is arguably the most important city in America, and therefore the world. The NYSE is there. The UN is there. NYC is considered to be the business and financial capital of the world. It's America's biggest city. It's a fashion and cultural hub for the US and the world. Hip hop, one of my favorite music genres, originated there. The NYC metropolitan area is the US's biggest center for air traffic, and like #2 in the world for the same.

NYC is also a bellwether of politics and social change. The Stonewall riots, which helped launch the LGBT-whatever-it's-up-to-now movement, happened in New York. The Occupy movement started there. Our current president was born, raised, and rose to fame there. BLM arguably rose to national prominence there. The bottom line is, what happens in NYC affects not only the City and NY State (about 40% of NYS's population is in NYC, which gives NYC huge sway over state-level elections and policies), it affects ALL of us. We should all care what happens in places of mass influence like NYC, LA, and DC, because even if what they're trying to inflict on the rest of the country isn't affecting you right now... it eventually will.

Things like the DEI movement and the trans movement didn't just materialize out of thin air. They were incubated and allowed to fester in places like NYC and then inflicted on the rest of the country. We can ignore things happening in the areas of major influence, but we do so at our peril. Their "great ideas" can become our nightmares before we know it.

Also, when it comes to Mamdani, a literal part of his platform is the anti-Trump agenda (because of course it is). HE is making his name relevant to a discussion in a thread about Trump, not us.

I was gonna say all this, but I didn't care enough to.

 

[757]

I was gonna say all this, but I didn't care enough to.

In fairness, If you just repeat Marauders statement verbatim without putting quotations around it...fast track to tenure at Harvard is all but assured. Heck, with those qualifications, you might even rise to the top of their future dean list

 

[ThunderHorse]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1940542842868269307

https://twitter.com/x/status/1940572193978831178

But unlike what Obama did...I'm wondering why the WSJ all of a sudden is a liberal piece of yellow toilet paper the past several weeks? Did they get infiltrated by the Lincoln Pedo Project?

 

[DA SWO]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1940542842868269307

https://twitter.com/x/status/1940572193978831178

But unlike what Obama did...I'm wondering why the WSJ all of a sudden is a liberal piece of yellow toilet paper the past several weeks? Did they get infiltrated by the Lincoln Pedo Project?

WSJ has been liberal for awhile.

 

[Box]

Thom Tillis is most definitely chickenshit, and not because he didn't support the BBB. Everyone in NC is happy he is not running again.

He's been a bit of a milquetoast politician since he took office - way better than Richard Burr - but still not the candidate that you just want to keep voting for because he is the least shitty option on the ballot.

I just have to accept that North Carolina voters are never going to produce anything better than a North Carolina politician.

Why in the name of all that is good can't we get a good fucking Hillary, Nancy, Chucky, Barry quality politician in the republican party?
These cockbags might be shit people but they are master politicians.
These assholes will drink a quart of kerosene just so they can come piss in your campfire.
They get shit done !

It may not be the shit we want done - but these mother fuckers are out there stirring shit up.
...republican politicians spend more time bashing republicans than they do pushing back against democrats.

 

[Devildoc]

He's been a bit of a milquetoast politician since he took office - way better than Richard Burr - but still not the candidate that you just want to keep voting for because he is the least shitty option on the ballot.

I just have to accept that North Carolina voters are never going to produce anything better than a North Carolina politician.

Why in the name of all that is good can't we get a good fucking Hillary, Nancy, Chucky, Barry quality politician in the republican party?
These cockbags might be shit people but they are master politicians.
These assholes will drink a quart of kerosene just so they can come piss in your campfire.
They get shit done !

It may not be the shit we want done - but these mother fuckers are out there stirring shit up.
...republican politicians spend more time bashing republicans than they do pushing back against democrats.

We topped out at Jesse Helms.....

 

[Jaknight]

My friend who’s liberal leaning asked me how far can Trump push things before he gets push back from his own party. I told him I think for Trump the limit does not exist.

 

[RackMaster]

My friend who’s liberal leaning asked me how far can Trump push things before he gets push back from his own party. I told him I think for Trump the limit does not exist.

With what though? Things are looking good for Americans from here.

He's done more for Canadian's than our own government. Getting rid of 2 useless taxes, one on carbon and the other was going on any digital service based out of Canada.

 

[DA SWO]

Nationally gas prices are at a 4 year low.
Gas drives our economy.

 

[Kraut783]

Officer shot after several suspects open fire near immigration detention facility in Johnson County, officials say

Officer has since been released...

 

[Topkick]

Just paid $2.49 for Gas and $3.19 for eggs. Eggs were over 5 bucks and gas was near 4 dollars here in January. Lets go!

 

[DA SWO]

Officer shot after several suspects open fire near immigration detention facility in Johnson County, officials say

Officer has since been released...

Life without parole is a possibility for 8 people.

 

[Kraut783]

Watch for federal charges to be brought for them...

 

[Marauder06]

Just paid $2.49 for Gas and $3.19 for eggs. Eggs were over 5 bucks and gas was near 4 dollars here in January. Lets go!

Weren't a bunch of people mocking Trump voters over egg prices just a couple of months ago? G

 

[Topkick]

Weren't a bunch of people mocking Trump voters over egg prices just a couple of months ago? G

Can't predict the future, and I'm cautiously optimistic, but let's not lose sight of the fact that this administration has only been in office for a little more than 6 months.