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So, I voted for the likes of Admiral Donnelly to get RIFd. But he's out here getting a third star?
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So, I voted for the likes of Admiral Donnelly to get RIFd. But he's out here getting a third star?
DOD Mum On Nomination Of Admiral Who Allowed Drag On Ship
To be fair, I think drag shows on ship would be a standard morale booster for the Navy.
Gas, eggs, inflation, tariffs, economy, immigration, border....
It's almost like we aren't talking about these things as much because the problems are fixed.
Turns out we didn't need bipartisan bills and legislation, we just needed a new president.
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Elon being miffed with Republicans and starting another party is only going to lead to Democratic party victories. The fact that his big brain can't sort that out shows he's not intelligent or his ego is so bruised he'd rather fuck the country (but he's blind). The Democrats never split off, they vote in lock step. The big tent is the Republicans, that means it's harder to govern unless you have a big majority. He could have easily helped fund more battleground races or work on primarying people he didn't like. The latter just would make him a Soros though.
Ooooh. Disagree here.
What if the ‘wide tent’ republicans (disaffected liberals, conservatives sick of the neocon BS and establishment republicans) are truly sick of the uniparty? I know I am. Republicans suck.
THEN, what if democrats that consider themselves centrist (people that actually like America but don’t like the constant Marxism and LGBTQ religion and suicidal empathy) decide they’re sick of the uniparty and the theater kid left? Democrats blow.
They have funding. They have a home for everyone that hates both parties, and they’ll steal sane (albeit few) libertarians. Libertarians are chaotic dorks without a leader or a coherent thought in their head.
You get a couple names to jump ship- and we have an exit for a huge cohort of folks. What if MAHA goes American Party? What if Dave Smith and Candace Owens and Joe Rogan go?
What if Trump leaves office, says he tried to drain the swamp for twelve years but the deep state is too entrenched and the only answer is to endorse a fresh start? You don’t think rank and file Americans/independents nationwide resonate with that? You don’t think a huge section of MAGA goes?
And what’s their party platform you ask? Simple- ‘we aren’t the uniparty, we aren’t owned by AIPAC, big pharma, or the deep state- we are a crowd sourced party of Americans sick of the status quo.’
CBTM.
I think this is the play. Who knows if the beef between trump and elon is real or if it was a push for the quoted.
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Cute idea, shit application. I've seen this before, ever here of Ross Perot?
How many Democrats are actually centrist? None of them. Crow? That dude is a bought and paid for liberal shill.
@TLDR20 is a self proclaimed centrist. Ross Perot doesn’t have elons money.
And this whole thing started on an X poll about 30 seconds ago, and the paperwork isn’t even complete yet. When people start abandoning their party to actually switch, I’ll start worrying about who’s in and who’s out. But that’s just a personal thing I do, which is “Try and wait for a second before I make ironclad decisions about a topic.”
What if it was ALL A WORK???
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Self proclaimed centrists don't vote Democrat.
ETA: Sounds like a lover's quarrel. Elon should help get more Nuclear power plants built if he actually wants to keep pushing EV nonsense.
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I truly wish I lived in a world which is as black and white as the one you live in.
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Our "first past the post" political system really isn't constructed in a way that can allow for a viable third party. What normally happens is if an issue or set of issues becomes so big that people form, or consider forming, a third party, that issue/those issues get absorbed by one of the extant parties.
Or, I think it's rare but has happened, one new party wipes out an existing older party and most of the old party's new adherents go to the new one. IMO that's more of a re-brand than a whole new party.
Or, I think it's rare but has happened, one new party wipes out an existing older party and most of the old party's new adherents go to the new one. IMO that's more of a re-brand than a whole new party.
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I believe I've said it before on this forum, but if not, I think the only way to breakup the political duopoly is to create two additional viable parties on opposite sides of the political spectrum at the same time.
Sadly, the greatest opportunity for this was probably 2016. If Bernie had truly gone with the "screw the billionaires" mantra and said he was going to run as a socialist because of crooked Hillary and Trump ended up facing off against Ted, Rubio, or that third guy from Ohio who's name I forgot because the Republican Party "needed to be saved," then that maaaaaaaaay have worked in such a way that both the Republicans and Democrats lost enough support to create 4 viable parties. Unfortunately, I think that ship has sailed.
I don't think Elons third party is going anywhere because he fundamentally does not seem to understand the current political climate.
On the one hand, he wants an increase in H-1B Visas, which enrages MAGA/the Neo-right. On the other hand, he wants to cut government spending, which usually enrages the left.
As a result, I don't see his party going anywhere.
Sadly, the greatest opportunity for this was probably 2016. If Bernie had truly gone with the "screw the billionaires" mantra and said he was going to run as a socialist because of crooked Hillary and Trump ended up facing off against Ted, Rubio, or that third guy from Ohio who's name I forgot because the Republican Party "needed to be saved," then that maaaaaaaaay have worked in such a way that both the Republicans and Democrats lost enough support to create 4 viable parties. Unfortunately, I think that ship has sailed.
I don't think Elons third party is going anywhere because he fundamentally does not seem to understand the current political climate.
On the one hand, he wants an increase in H-1B Visas, which enrages MAGA/the Neo-right. On the other hand, he wants to cut government spending, which usually enrages the left.
As a result, I don't see his party going anywhere.
A third party would be a good disruptive force though. We (myself included) look at Perot's example, but it kind of lacked a plan and I question if the time was right for anything you could sustain...if you can sustain anything like that at all.
Today though party polarization makes a third party increasingly likely. It could only have staying power if the other two remained ideologically removed from centrist voters. I'd hazard a guess that a third party would be 60/40 or 70/30 Democrats over Republicans given how far and how fast the Blue side has moved.
Regardless, a third party would push one or both of the others to abandon some policies which would cause voters to return to one of the original two.
I'd love to see a third party if only to jolt to other two into something other than the status quo.
Today though party polarization makes a third party increasingly likely. It could only have staying power if the other two remained ideologically removed from centrist voters. I'd hazard a guess that a third party would be 60/40 or 70/30 Democrats over Republicans given how far and how fast the Blue side has moved.
Regardless, a third party would push one or both of the others to abandon some policies which would cause voters to return to one of the original two.
I'd love to see a third party if only to jolt to other two into something other than the status quo.
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somethings just suck
politics is one of those things that sucks
...and aMEricans simply don't understand the concept of NOT letting perfect get in the way of good enough
The radical Left sucks
The radical right sucks
The uniparty sucks.
unfortunately most things come down to a "what side of the fence are you on" type of situation and like that old asian guy once said, "man who straddle fence gets splinters in crotch"
third party political organizations have always been a group of people that want to ride the fence on all of the importanat issues
-i want "my" guns but we need "common sense gun laws"
-abortion is tricky
-i want to cut YOUR government spending but not MY government spending
-taxes are bad but the state needs to come fix this pothole
-welfare is stoopid, they should get jobs
-veterans should learn how to code
-military retirees and DoD civilians should get GIANT pay raises
-i'm a right wing conservative AND a pot head
-i'm a left wing liberal with an MSNBC talk show but I like shooting my AR15
rinse and repeat
politics is one of those things that sucks
...and aMEricans simply don't understand the concept of NOT letting perfect get in the way of good enough
The radical Left sucks
The radical right sucks
The uniparty sucks.
unfortunately most things come down to a "what side of the fence are you on" type of situation and like that old asian guy once said, "man who straddle fence gets splinters in crotch"
third party political organizations have always been a group of people that want to ride the fence on all of the importanat issues
-i want "my" guns but we need "common sense gun laws"
-abortion is tricky
-i want to cut YOUR government spending but not MY government spending
-taxes are bad but the state needs to come fix this pothole
-welfare is stoopid, they should get jobs
-veterans should learn how to code
-military retirees and DoD civilians should get GIANT pay raises
-i'm a right wing conservative AND a pot head
-i'm a left wing liberal with an MSNBC talk show but I like shooting my AR15
rinse and repeat
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To the victor goes the spoils. There won't be serious 3rd parties until the uniparty gives up some control of the primary process.
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I'm not buying into the fantasy. Politics is a full contact sport played while wearing a suit.
A "viable" third party would be like having a third dugout on the diamond - or adding a third net to any sport that uses nets.
The only sport where three teams would work is rugby.
...because what the fuck is even the purpose of rugby?
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JD Vance in 2032-2036-2040
A "viable" third party would be like having a third dugout on the diamond - or adding a third net to any sport that uses nets.
The only sport where three teams would work is rugby.
...because what the fuck is even the purpose of rugby?
Trump in 2028
JD Vance in 2032-2036-2040
100%.
Federalists were the first conservative (here meaning traditionalist) party, who basically disappeared after the war of 1812. The Democratic-Republicans (Jeffersonian Republicans) split during the 1824 election; party loyalists made the Democratic Party, and those who weren't went to make the National Republican Party. The NRP only existed for ~8 years before it combined with former Federalists and unhappy democrats to make the Whig party, which then became the GOP.
Given the policies, I think an arguement could be made that the Whigs might be the only true "new" party in our history to ever gain any power. The Republican party basically started as "Whigs who openly opposed the expansion of slavery", so that seems to be more rebrand than new concept.
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To the broader topic of Elon and third parties; I think Elon could make a viable third party, if it focuses energy on Congressional seats as opposed to the Presidency. We've seen how "libertarian"/independent Senators/Reps can have outsized impact in legislation, simply because margins are so thin. If Elon managed to get 2 or 3 Senators elected they could have a huge impact.
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