The Trump Presidency 2.0

AWP said:
The mere presence alone of Guardsmen patrolling the streets, "walking a beat", will deter crime. "They can't arrest people." So? They don't need to, they're sentinels, information gatherers, overhead ISR if that's allowed in the capital. Run up JLENS here and there...presence and information.

Dudes aren't running and gunning with a SAW or chucking flashbangs. Sheesh.
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Question without notice: wouldn’t they have no more rights to arrest than an ordinary civilian?
 
Topkick said:
Generally, they wouldn't have any additional authority. But under certain circumstances, the president and/ or the state governor can "deputize" them to be peace officers. It has to be some serious shit, so not likely.
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Silver lining: Potential proof of concept for open carry as a crime deterrent in major cities.
 
From the Article:
For the first time in a long time, D.C. has gone seven days without a homicide.
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That's kind of a shit statement without context, right? Like tell us when the last time DC went a week without a homicide.

To provide the context the article can't, best I've found is April of last year.


amlove21 said:
(That’s a haiku, I try hard for you people).
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Give yourself some points for that lol.
 
Cookie_ said:
From the Article:


That's kind of a shit statement without context, right? Like tell us when the last time DC went a week without a homicide.

To provide the context the article can't, best I've found is April of last year.




Give yourself some points for that lol.
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Remember during 2016-2024 when you said a true thing and then the fact checkers (where did they all go??) would tell you that it was true, but it "needed context", and then proceed with a 2k word article following the "it's not happening/it is happening but not as bad as you say/it's happening, it's as bad as you say, but you're causing harm by pointing it out/we admit it's happening now but we think that's actually a good thing" framework. Man, what a wild time. Anywhoo...

Your contention doesn't appear to be that what I said isn't true (it is)- just that one time, for 9 days, 493 days ago, the same thing happened? Did the President have to deploy the National Guard that time, too? Or was it just sort of, you know, a thing that happened (it was just a thing that happened with no remarkable change in policing, policy, or action taken). What was the action taken that resulted in the 9 day drop in murders?

The context that's relevant and helpful is- "For 493 days, until Trump took action, DC averaged 1 homicide every 2.1 days and ranked 4th or 5th in murder per 100k people. Then the President took action, and those actions had immediate results as supported by the facts of the matter, and the only people saying otherwise are doing so due to their apparent, immovable, personal bias towards the admin and their unwillingness to allow a single good thing to happen in America without pointing out that Trump Bad."

FTR, during Bowser's term (2014-on) DC has averaged 26.2 murders per 100k, including a 30 year high in 2023. I mean, in CoNtExT that's not nearly as bad as the crack epidemic when DC was the murder capital of the world clocking 86/100k right? So Bowser is doing great if we apply the correct historical context.
 
amlove21 said:
Remember during 2016-2024 when you said a true thing and then the fact checkers (where did they all go??) would tell you that it was true, but it "needed context", and then proceed with a 2k word article following the "it's not happening/it is happening but not as bad as you say/it's happening, it's as bad as you say, but you're causing harm by pointing it out/we admit it's happening now but we think that's actually a good thing" framework. Man, what a wild time. Anywhoo...

Your contention doesn't appear to be that what I said isn't true (it is)- just that one time, for 9 days, 493 days ago, the same thing happened? Did the President have to deploy the National Guard that time, too? Or was it just sort of, you know, a thing that happened (it was just a thing that happened with no remarkable change in policing, policy, or action taken). What was the action taken that resulted in the 9 day drop in murders?

The context that's relevant and helpful is- "For 493 days, until Trump took action, DC averaged 1 homicide every 2.1 days and ranked 4th or 5th in murder per 100k people. Then the President took action, and those actions had immediate results as supported by the facts of the matter, and the only people saying otherwise are doing so due to their apparent, immovable, personal bias towards the admin and their unwillingness to allow a single good thing to happen in America without pointing out that Trump Bad."

FTR, during Bowser's term (2014-on) DC has averaged 26.2 murders per 100k, including a 30 year high in 2023. I mean, in CoNtExT that's not nearly as bad as the crack epidemic when DC was the murder capital of the world clocking 86/100k right? So Bowser is doing great if we apply the correct historical context.
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Oh yeah, I'm not trying to argue against anything broader. It's just a general quibble I've got with statements like that.

If "a long time" is 20 years you can probably draw a better correlation with the Guard deployment.

With it being a tad over a year ago someone can argue (I'm not) that it's a fluke. That said, the longer it goes without homicide the stronger the deployment correlation becomes again.
 
Cookie_ said:
Oh yeah, I'm not trying to argue against anything broader. It's just a general quibble I've got with statements like that.

If "a long time" is 20 years you can probably draw a better correlation with the Guard deployment.

With it being a tad over a year ago someone can argue (I'm not) that it's a fluke. That said, the longer it goes without homicide the stronger the deployment correlation becomes again.
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Crime data (not just murder) correlates too. And when the guard leaves... what you wanna bet there is a return to the norm?

It's almost like (follow me here) increased police presence provides a deterrent that allows people with agency, even bad ones, to make more virtuous decisions. Crazy to explore.

And Bowser suuuuuuuuucks. That's just a personal observation.
 
About to hop in my car so can't look this up:

Anything where it shows how these reductions fit in with the 8% overall?

E.G., 83% reduction in carjacking =3% of all crime.

That's not me poo-pooing on anything, just being a number nerd.
 
amlove21 said:
Checks to see why the sky is falling today... ah yes, federalizing LE in DC.

Don't care, it's not happening in Vegas. Whatever is happening in some city far away does not affect me.
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Also you within days of actively not caring about that thing happening in that far away city:
amlove21 said:
Looks like the word is out in the DMV.

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amlove21 said:
DC murders? None.
Looks like Trump was right again.
Suck it, liberals.
(That’s a haiku, I try hard for you people).

National Guard's presence slashes D.C. crime rates, with seven days homicide-free
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amlove21 said:
Crime data (not just murder) correlates too. And when the guard leaves... what you wanna bet there is a return to the norm?

It's almost like (follow me here) increased police presence provides a deterrent that allows people with agency, even bad ones, to make more virtuous decisions. Crazy to explore.

And Bowser suuuuuuuuucks. That's just a personal observation.
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amlove21 said:
Crime (other than murder) stats in DC, 7 days.

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Locksteady said:
Also you within days of actively not caring about that thing happening in that far away city:

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I understand the confusion but that was sarcasm brother, referencing earlier posts. The point he was making in this post (and for context, in some earlier ones) is that things that happen in other places in America, and to other American people, matter to us no matter where we live in America.
 
Marauder06 said:
I understand the confusion but that was sarcasm brother, referencing earlier posts. The point he was making in this post (and for context, in some earlier ones) is that things that happen in other places in America, and to other American people, matter to us no matter where we live in America.
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*WHOOSH*

I think I've recently run into a few too many people outside of here who earnestly think that way, and so his usual deadpan caught me lacking. Thanks for clearing that up M.

My bad, and sorry for the misread @amlove21.
 
It is stuff like this where I sometimes question my Trump vote. He fires the people who do not provide him the data that he wants to see, or dares publicly disagrees with him. It is so frustrating, and does not makes for good government.

Many of my more conservative friends will barely acknowledge my existence anymore because they get angry when I call these out. If a Democratic president was doing/saying much of what Trump does, they would be out of their collective minds.

#SometimesTheEmperorWearsNoClothes

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Ooh-Rah said:
It is stuff like this where I sometimes question my Trump vote. He fires the people who do not provide him the data that he wants to see, or dares publicly disagrees with him. It is so frustrating, and does not makes for good government.
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Did the NYT say that he was fired because of the "contradicting" report?
 

FBI searches home and office of ex-Trump national security adviser John Bolton​


WASHINGTON (AP) — The FBI on Friday searched the Maryland home and Washington office of former Trump administration national security adviser John Bolton as part of a criminal investigation into the potential mishandling of classified information, a person familiar with the matter said.

FBI searches home and office of ex-Trump national security adviser John Bolton

Heh, pot calling the kettle black.....
 
Ooh-Rah said:
It is stuff like this where I sometimes question my Trump vote. He fires the people who do not provide him the data that he wants to see, or dares publicly disagrees with him. It is so frustrating, and does not makes for good government.

Many of my more conservative friends will barely acknowledge my existence anymore because they get angry when I call these out. If a Democratic president was doing/saying much of what Trump does, they would be out of their collective minds.

#SometimesTheEmperorWearsNoClothes

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You bitch in private, toe the company line in public. If you are a FOGO you shouldn't complain in public.
 
Ooh-Rah said:
It is stuff like this where I sometimes question my Trump vote. He fires the people who do not provide him the data that he wants to see, or dares publicly disagrees with him. It is so frustrating, and does not makes for good government.

Many of my more conservative friends will barely acknowledge my existence anymore because they get angry when I call these out. If a Democratic president was doing/saying much of what Trump does, they would be out of their collective minds.

#SometimesTheEmperorWearsNoClothes
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Why would this incomplete, speculative initial report, in a biased source, cause you to question your support for President Trump?

Brother this is the New York Times, nearly everything they produce about President Trump is either incomplete, negatively framed, or a flat out lie. We don't need to go down the list.

The facts will come out over time. In the meantime,

1) I don't believe them
2) I don't care
 

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