ThunderHorse
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I am moving to Texas. They have good gun laws from what I hear.
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/dec/31/open-letter-to-joe-biden-on-guns/?page=2
Joe,
Congratulations on your appointment to lead a presidential commission to end gun-related violence.
As a National Rifle Association board member, husband, father, grandfather, law enforcement officer and genuinely concerned American, I too want nothing more than to see evil, senseless massacres stopped. I concur with the president and caring people everywhere: It’s time to end these slaughters.
As you gather your team to study massacres and how to stop them, I offer to you my services and a lifetime of expertise on guns in all their implementations. While I strongly differ with President Obama on many issues, I agree with him that we must work with all we can possibly muster to end these tragedies.
As you begin to formulate your thoughts on how to proceed with your task, I hope your starting point is to provide the president with the facts regarding these slaughters and to offer him common-sense recommendations that are void of a political agenda and will actually make a meaningful difference. If the American people smell a political agenda here, that will only bog down our efforts.
In the spirit of goodwill and a deep desire to end gut-wrenching, incredibly sad and senseless rampages, I offer you the following recommendations:
I encourage you to persuade the president to lead this effort by providing a number of public service announcements. The announcements should include watching out for each other, encouraging parents to be more involved in their children’s lives regarding entertainment choices, and knowing various indicators we should watch for in people who are unstable.
Clearly, the focus on solving these mass murders must be on the mentally ill. In almost every instance of mass killing, there were ample red flags and warning alarms that either were avoided or were not acted upon by mental health professionals, family members, friends and acquaintances. While I deeply respect an individual’s privacy and civil liberties, the American people need basic awareness of what indicators to look for regarding potentially violent, psychotic people. Our collective safety begins with being collectively vigilant.
You will find in your assessment that all of the massacres have occurred in gun-free zones. What gun-free zones create is an environment where good people are unarmed and virtually defenseless against an unstable person intent on committing mass murder. Gun-free zones are modern killing fields. I implore you to recommend that Congress pass a law to ban gun-free zones immediately.
Just like your full-time, armed security detail, qualified citizens with authorized, legal concealed-carry permits should be able to carry weapons virtually everywhere to protect themselves, their loved ones and innocents.
I also implore you to strongly consider recommending that trained school officials have access to weapons to protect students. Just as airline pilots may have access to a weapon to prevent another Sept. 11 mass murder, school officials also should be trained to stop shooting sprees at our schools.
I don’t encourage you to recommend a ban on any weapon, magazine capacity or type of ammunition. That won’t accomplish anything other than prevent the 99.9 percent of responsible, law-abiding Americans from enjoying these modern weapons as we do now. We should never recommend or develop public policy that restricts the rights of the good guys based upon what evil people do or might do. If that were the case, alcohol still would be banned. As you may know, drunk drivers kill an estimated 12,000 Americans each year and hurt tens of thousands more.
I encourage you also to keep this misnamed “gun violence” in perspective. While all deaths are tragic, the vast majority of gun-related murders and violence are committed by gang members who do not use guns that look like — but do not perform like — military assault weapons. The majority of crimes that involve a firearm are committed with handguns. I concurred with you back in 2008 when you stated, “If [Mr. Obama] tries to fool with my Beretta, he’s got a problem.” I trust you still maintain those sentiments.
Again, I offer you my services and a lifetime of expertise. I look forward to hearing from you.
Sincerely,
Ted Nugent
Joe,
Congratulations on your appointment to lead a presidential commission to end gun-related violence.
As a National Rifle Association board member, husband, father, grandfather, law enforcement officer and genuinely concerned American, I too want nothing more than to see evil, senseless massacres stopped. I concur with the president and caring people everywhere: It’s time to end these slaughters.
As you gather your team to study massacres and how to stop them, I offer to you my services and a lifetime of expertise on guns in all their implementations. While I strongly differ with President Obama on many issues, I agree with him that we must work with all we can possibly muster to end these tragedies.
As you begin to formulate your thoughts on how to proceed with your task, I hope your starting point is to provide the president with the facts regarding these slaughters and to offer him common-sense recommendations that are void of a political agenda and will actually make a meaningful difference. If the American people smell a political agenda here, that will only bog down our efforts.
In the spirit of goodwill and a deep desire to end gut-wrenching, incredibly sad and senseless rampages, I offer you the following recommendations:
I encourage you to persuade the president to lead this effort by providing a number of public service announcements. The announcements should include watching out for each other, encouraging parents to be more involved in their children’s lives regarding entertainment choices, and knowing various indicators we should watch for in people who are unstable.
Clearly, the focus on solving these mass murders must be on the mentally ill. In almost every instance of mass killing, there were ample red flags and warning alarms that either were avoided or were not acted upon by mental health professionals, family members, friends and acquaintances. While I deeply respect an individual’s privacy and civil liberties, the American people need basic awareness of what indicators to look for regarding potentially violent, psychotic people. Our collective safety begins with being collectively vigilant.
You will find in your assessment that all of the massacres have occurred in gun-free zones. What gun-free zones create is an environment where good people are unarmed and virtually defenseless against an unstable person intent on committing mass murder. Gun-free zones are modern killing fields. I implore you to recommend that Congress pass a law to ban gun-free zones immediately.
Just like your full-time, armed security detail, qualified citizens with authorized, legal concealed-carry permits should be able to carry weapons virtually everywhere to protect themselves, their loved ones and innocents.
I also implore you to strongly consider recommending that trained school officials have access to weapons to protect students. Just as airline pilots may have access to a weapon to prevent another Sept. 11 mass murder, school officials also should be trained to stop shooting sprees at our schools.
I don’t encourage you to recommend a ban on any weapon, magazine capacity or type of ammunition. That won’t accomplish anything other than prevent the 99.9 percent of responsible, law-abiding Americans from enjoying these modern weapons as we do now. We should never recommend or develop public policy that restricts the rights of the good guys based upon what evil people do or might do. If that were the case, alcohol still would be banned. As you may know, drunk drivers kill an estimated 12,000 Americans each year and hurt tens of thousands more.
I encourage you also to keep this misnamed “gun violence” in perspective. While all deaths are tragic, the vast majority of gun-related murders and violence are committed by gang members who do not use guns that look like — but do not perform like — military assault weapons. The majority of crimes that involve a firearm are committed with handguns. I concurred with you back in 2008 when you stated, “If [Mr. Obama] tries to fool with my Beretta, he’s got a problem.” I trust you still maintain those sentiments.
Again, I offer you my services and a lifetime of expertise. I look forward to hearing from you.
Sincerely,
Ted Nugent
I am moving to Texas. They have good gun laws from what I hear.
Actually, there are several states that are better...Arizona for one. They have open carry and you don't even need a permit to carry concealed if you're not a prohibited possessor. You can still get one which will grant you a few more privileges under the law, not to mention reciprocity with most other states except the usuals.
I am moving to Texas. They have good gun laws from what I hear.
We got pretty a good one in my house. It's called: "live to take one, and you'll get shot by one of the many others."
Too bad it will fall on totally deaf ears
I would say AZ has a much easier route to legal CCW (also really like the open carry laws), but TX is one of the only states that will allow you to walk around metal detectors in the state capital if you hold a TX CHL. Also one of the few states that already have “armed teachers” , also one of the states that actually allow you to use that concealed handgun for just about any reason you can make sound semi justifiable. All said, I agree and wish TX would move to an open carry/no-lic state, but given the current playing rules of each state, I will stick with TX every day of the week…
It’s not for everybody, but it’s good for me…
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I would say AZ has a much easier route to legal CCW (also really like the open carry laws), but TX is one of the only states that will allow you to walk around metal detectors in the state capital if you hold a TX CHL. Also one of the few states that already have “armed teachers” , also one of the states that actually allow you to use that concealed handgun for just about any reason you can make sound semi justifiable. All said, I agree and wish TX would move to an open carry/no-lic state, but given the current playing rules of each state, I will stick with TX every day of the week…
It’s not for everybody, but it’s good for me…
That is the way it should be. Our 2nd Amendment should not be violated by piss poor knee jerk laws based upon emotion rather than logic. No written law will prevent violence. Only a multi approach will, at least, stem violence.
I would say AZ has a much easier route to legal CCW (also really like the open carry laws), but TX is one of the only states that will allow you to walk around metal detectors in the state capital if you hold a TX CHL. Also one of the few states that already have “armed teachers” , also one of the states that actually allow you to use that concealed handgun for just about any reason you can make sound semi justifiable. All said, I agree and wish TX would move to an open carry/no-lic state, but given the current playing rules of each state, I will stick with TX every day of the week…
It’s not for everybody, but it’s good for me…
oh nice, I didn't know that about the metal detector thing. I wonder if that applies to reciprocated CHL's as well, or just Tx?
policemedic
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I would say AZ has a much easier route to legal CCW (also really like the open carry laws), but TX is one of the only states that will allow you to walk around metal detectors in the state capital if you hold a TX CHL. Also one of the few states that already have “armed teachers” , also one of the states that actually allow you to use that concealed handgun for just about any reason you can make sound semi justifiable. All said, I agree and wish TX would move to an open carry/no-lic state, but given the current playing rules of each state, I will stick with TX every day of the week…
It’s not for everybody, but it’s good for me…
The Republic of Texas is sounding better and better every day.
before I go to bed finally, my brother keeps talking about the '14th amendment fraud' and the 'red amendment' as it is also referred to.
you mentioning the republic of Texas made me think of it. I've read a little about it. Anyone else looked it up? Thoughts?
you mentioning the republic of Texas made me think of it. I've read a little about it. Anyone else looked it up? Thoughts?
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Look up the history behind "Republic of Texas"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Texas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Texas–United_States_relations
http://www.wnd.com/2007/04/41196/#Y3rbcI2bgWYm4Gej.99
25 years murder-free in 'Gun Town USA'
Apologies if this has already been mentioned. Kennesaw is just north of Dobbins Air Reserve Base down here in Georgia. I hope Kennesaw PD is hiring when I retire!
"In March 1982, 25 years ago, the small town of Kennesaw – responding to a handgun ban in Morton Grove, Ill. – unanimously passed an ordinance requiring each head of household to own and maintain a gun. Since then, despite dire predictions of “Wild West” showdowns and increased violence and accidents, not a single resident has been involved in a fatal shooting – as a victim, attacker or defender."
25 years murder-free in 'Gun Town USA'
Apologies if this has already been mentioned. Kennesaw is just north of Dobbins Air Reserve Base down here in Georgia. I hope Kennesaw PD is hiring when I retire!
"In March 1982, 25 years ago, the small town of Kennesaw – responding to a handgun ban in Morton Grove, Ill. – unanimously passed an ordinance requiring each head of household to own and maintain a gun. Since then, despite dire predictions of “Wild West” showdowns and increased violence and accidents, not a single resident has been involved in a fatal shooting – as a victim, attacker or defender."
ThunderHorse
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The California Republic is worse everyday.
I dont understand this at all. I thought Bloomberg said there are no guns in NYC. 
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/7-shot-nyc-new-years-day-article-1.1230886
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/7-shot-nyc-new-years-day-article-1.1230886
Putnam County (NY) Standing up for pistol owners.
"There is the rule of law, and there is right and wrong and the Journal News is clearly wrong," Sant said in a statement. "I could not live with myself if one Putnam pistol permit holder was put in harm's way, for the sole purpose of selling newspapers."
"There is the rule of law, and there is right and wrong and the Journal News is clearly wrong," Sant said in a statement. "I could not live with myself if one Putnam pistol permit holder was put in harm's way, for the sole purpose of selling newspapers."
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Coming back onto full topic
- I believe the 2nd Amendment was created in part to act as a check against the government and its agents so they would not attempt to enrode the rest of our rights. Although it seems some of our rights have been chipped away the point I make is that the 2nd Amendment prevents a large wholesale shredding of the Constitution.
- Any new laws smell of a Nanny State to me. I don't need the government in my life any more than it already is.
- I think the loophole of not conducting background checks at gun shows should be closed.
- Generally speaking thsoe in power such as a Hitler or a Stalin outlaw firearms as a means to assume, hold onto, or increase power over people.
