United States & Gun Control discussion.

Devildoc said:
It's really nothing more than words. They have agreed to agree on a framework. We will see what happens when they try to hammer out actual legislation.
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Yeah, they agreed to negotiate a land buy. Maybe that's everything west of the Mississippi, maybe it is a lot in the Fuckoff Lakes HOA suburb or maybe it is...just a great ploy for points in the media.

It means nothing to anyone who knows something.
 
For the board. It's funny how some of the biggest proponents of gun control and handwringers are acting like there aren't a shitload of laws already on the books. If the current rules aren't enforced, there is no point for new rules. If you want a good example of this, look at the case involving Biden's crackhead son and his illegal possession of a firearm.

Also, some of y'all have either forgotten or were never exposed to the lessons learned in the GWOT, when we disarmed civilians and left them to the tender mercies of outside forces. Cause I distinctly remember the sectarian violence that gripped my sector and how the civies we disarmed ended up being fucked, when the sectarian death squads showed up. The civies that held on to their guns, held out.

If that isn't enough, look at what happened to the unarmed Iraqi civie populations when ISIS formed. Maybe look at what's happened to the unarmed Afghans now that the Taliban has taken over. What we're seeing right now isn't about safety it's about control. If you give up any control over your right to self defense, or let lesser men delegate those rights to you, you are giving up your right to autonomy.

I swear... a chunk of our population is weak, demoralized, or so ignorant of history, that they fall for the dumbest shit put up by the psychopaths and sociopaths in DC and the MSM.

TLDR: No one is coming to save you. It's all on you.

Topkick said:
I can't believe we are almost to a point where your pissed off wife or other family member may be able take your firearms away.
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Agree. Though in certain parts of the US that's already a reality, CA, NJ, CO, NC, to name a few.

I honestly think we are close to the point where the weakness in our population is either gonna be crushed or conditions will deteriorate that they will wish they had been. The world is poised for a bloodletting and I think we're no exception.
 
R.Caerbannog said:
For the board. It's funny how some of the biggest proponents of gun control and handwringers are acting like there aren't a shitload of laws already on the books. If the current rules aren't enforced, there is no point for new rules. If you want a good example of this, look at the case involving Biden's crackhead son and his illegal possession of a firearm.

Also, some of y'all have either forgotten or were never exposed to the lessons learned in the GWOT, when we disarmed civilians and left them to the tender mercies of outside forces. Cause I distinctly remember the sectarian violence that gripped my sector and how the civies we disarmed ended up being fucked, when the sectarian death squads showed up. The civies that held on to their guns, held out.

If that isn't enough, look at what happened to the unarmed Iraqi civie populations when ISIS formed. Maybe look at what's happened to the unarmed Afghans now that the Taliban has taken over. What we're seeing right now isn't about safety it's about control. If you give up any control over your right to self defense, or let lesser men delegate those rights to you, you are giving up your right to autonomy.

I swear... a chunk of our population is weak, demoralized, or so ignorant of history, that they fall for the dumbest shit put up by the psychopaths and sociopaths in DC and the MSM.

TLDR: No one is coming to save you. It's all on you.


Agree. Though in certain parts of the US that's already a reality, CA, NJ, CO, NC, to name a few.

I honestly think we are close to the point where the weakness in our population is either gonna be crushed or conditions will deteriorate that they will wish they had been. The world is poised for a bloodletting and I think we're no exception.
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This makes zero sense. How can you even begin to compare the US of A to Iraq? Oh, wait, you can't. Make a defensible argument, not some outlandish nonsensical storyline.

Thank you, and have a good week.
 
Kaldak said:
This makes zero sense. How can you even begin to compare the US of A to Iraq? Oh, wait, you can't. Make a defensible argument, not some outlandish nonsensical storyline.

Thank you, and have a good week.
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Sounds you grew up on the nice side of the tracks and never had to deal with crime, gangs, or neighborhood strong men. The veneer of civilization is much thinner than you think.
 
One of the biggest problems with "common sense gun laws" is that when taken to its logical extreme, it is "common sense" to proponents of such policy that no private person should own a firearm, or at least no firearms that are particularly useful in preserving a free state (e.g. they only want to let you have a double-barrel shotgun).

The problem with universal registration is that whenever the government decides that "you don't need" X weapon, they have a list and even if they do not (immediately) send armed men to your house to confiscate them from you, you are now a criminal for simply possessing them.

I'm OK in principle with background checks, even for private party sales. Yes I realize that this is a form of de facto registry (you know who has guns, even if you don't know what guns they have).

If "common sense" proponents really believed in compromise and in commo sense laws, the first thing they would do is implement a CCW that is recognized nationwide for both purchasing and carrying firearms in public, just like drivers' licenses and marriage certificates. After all, it's common sense...
 
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RackMaster said:
The hand picked by Trudeau, RCMP Commissioner, interfered with the investigation into the the largest mass shooting in Canadian history. While the shooter was still out there. In order to help Trudeau and his BS gun control, banning "assault type" firearms.

RCMP Commissioner Brenda Lucki tried to 'jeopardize' mass murder investigation to advance Trudeau’s gun control efforts
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Makes sense, these people want us disarmed and at their mercy. I can't imagine the indignities these cockroaches have planned for us, considering the way they treat the common man now.

As an aside, regarding the Uvalde shooting looks like they police interfered with people trying to save their kids. In one case they even detained and arrested a fellow traveler who wanted to go save his wife.
UVALDE, Texas – Shocking testimony from the Texas DPS director on Tuesday has revealed even more insight into the “abject failure” of response to the Uvalde shooting that occurred on May 24.

Texas Department of Public Safety Director Col. Steven McCraw revealed that the husband of slain elementary teacher Eva Mireles tried to save her but was barred from doing so.

Ruben Ruiz is a police officer for the school district and was on the scene after the gunman entered the school and opened fire.

McCraw said Mireles called Ruiz and told him that “she had been shot and was dying.”

“And what happened to him, is he tried to move forward into the hallway,” McCraw said. “He was detained and they took his gun away from him and escorted him off the scene.”

McCraw didn’t say who specifically detained Ruiz.
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Officer husband of slain Uvalde teacher was detained, had gun taken away after trying to save wife

To reiterate to the board and anyone reading. At the end of the day your safety is on you. No is gonna come save you and in some cases the people charged with saving you will hinder incoming help. It's all on you.
 
RackMaster said:
Just read that and was coming to post. Nice to see a win.
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It is, but my magic 8-ball is telling me now New York will be so onerous in their application process and be on juuuust this side of unconstitutional. Something stupid like a $1,000 app fee, 50 hours of training, etc. It's a win, but I think the battle is just beginning.
 
A fucking shame 2A is constantly aborted. Imagine if the state or feds can just come into your home to take your property/papers.

Imagine if no lawyers allowed for trials, if you were allowed to be drawn and quartered instead of being fairly treated? Imagine if your trial was a kangaroo court that lasted forever?

The anti gun nuts and feds would be crying, bitching, calling for change. 2A, fuck it. Abort it. Emotions. Let the government have monopoly on arms and security.

Hypocrisy if you ask me. Maybe, we take the politicians security away, let the fuckers fend for themselves while attempting to take their civil rights away, based on skewed emotions or plain control.
 
Devildoc said:
It is, but my magic 8-ball is telling me now New York will be so onerous in their application process and be on juuuust this side of unconstitutional. Something stupid like a $1,000 app fee, 50 hours of training, etc. It's a win, but I think the battle is just beginning.
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It’s already onerous, and expensive, intrusive, and time consuming. Last time I lived here I gave up on the process because I never expected to come back here. Now I regret not following though.
 

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