United States & Gun Control discussion.

ThunderHorse said:
There are people on this board who will vote for her.
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That's their right to choose for themselves. If they try to interfere with my right to decide on whom I should vote for is when there will be issues with me.

I already know of one who sticks up for Walz. I asked this person to read to me the Army Values, Soldier's Creed, and the NCO Creed that Walz was supposed to be the living embodiment of, and show me where he stayed true to any of it.

Crickets.

Both times I have asked.

More crickets.

Anyway as I said before, he has his right to vote for whom he chooses to just as I have my right to vote for my conscience on what I know is the right thing to do for me and us as a whole, and Harris/Walz ain't any of it.
 
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ThunderHorse said:
There are people on this board who will vote for her.
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I've always clearly supported Trump. Still do. But I'm not sure its fair to assume anyone will vote a certain way based on a discussion here unless they clearly state it. Most have agreed that Harris is a terrible candidate, even the members I assume you are referring to, but remember that we only have two choices and its fair to air concerns about both. My take, FWIW.
 
Topkick said:
I've always clearly supported Trump. Still do. But I'm not sure its fair to assume anyone will vote a certain way based on a discussion here unless they clearly state it. Most have agreed that Harris is a terrible candidate, even the members I assume you are referring to, but remember that we only have two choices and its fair to air concerns about both. My take, FWIW.
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I didn't vote for Trump the first time he ran for president. That was when I thought character and integrity mattered in national-level politics.

They don't.

In any presidential election, we have a binary choice between two candidates. The two candidates have very different visions for America's future. One roughly aligns with the future I want, the other doesn't. I will vote for the candidate whose policies and actions will have the best outcome for the America that I want for my family.
 
I didnt vote "FOR" Trump the first time he ran - I voted "AGAINST" Bill Clintons wife.
The second time - I absolutely voted "for" Donald Trump because it had become clear that we as a nation have been lying to ourselves for 240 plus years that we demand integrity and character in our politicians.
We pretended that politicians like JFK didnt really screw every woman that got within dick range.
We pretended that politicians like LBJ weren't actually SHAMELESS racists that exploited minorities for their votes
We pretended that politicians like LBJ didn't actually wave their dick at journalists because it was funny
...or shit with the door open during an interview because he lked to shock reporters
We pretend that Nixons foibles were just business as usual and besides - without that missing 18 minutes of audio - who knows

The uniparty hates when citizens have firearms - Nixon, Carter, Regan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump, and for fuck sake, lets not have a gun control discussion without pointing fingers at one of the worst organizations to ever endanger that part of the 2nd amendment that says "shall not be infringed"
...the NRA

None of them can be trusted. Clintons crime bill doesn't make it to his desk without the republicans - some of them STILL getting reelected decades later - putting it there for him to sign.
All the while running on a platform of "protecting your gun rights".

What happened to all of that silencer legislation that was supposed to go through during the proguntrump era?
What about bump stocks?
FUGEDABOWDIT

Trump is simply the least of the existential threats to gun rights that we are being allowed to vote for - so for now - he's my guy - and I am voting FOR him this time - of course, I'd vote against Kamala and her emotional support politician even day and twice on sunday - even if the best thing the republicans had been able to muster was another Bush or even Darth Cheney's evil spawn.
...more than once if the democrats say its ok

Our nations gun rights rely on one thing and one thing alone - donor money.

If the most radical of antigun organizations started pouring cash into Cocaine Mitch's campaign kitty - hed vote away our rights (again) in a heartbeat.
...same for the rest of them
 
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@Box because I love bashing LBJ's bitch ass, don't forget his made up Silver Star or that little thing of inventing the second Tonkin Gulf incident to provide a "reason" for the Vietnam War. Or his War on Poverty. That dude was arguably one of the slimiest presidents in US history.
 
I can't articulate even half as good as Paul could.

And he's right. Wanting to go after the guns is being deceptional dishonest because it still does not solve WHY they want to do do it to begin with.

And it's even harder to get guns and magazines with higher capacity have been around since the 20's.

 
Bingo!

People don't want to talk about it though. It makes them very uncomfortable because they are either terrified of what they'll find out about themselves or what they'll find out about someone close to them.

The truth hurts.

Ever seen a discussion after a terrible accident occurred and people died? Fingers are pointed. Rifers blame car drivers. Car drivers blame riders. LOL because it's actually both at fault.

Days ago a rider was killed by a young lady who assumed because she could not see that it was still okay to drive stupid.

Weeks ago a rider was into the curve on a road that he was riding faster than he should have, since the center is what a fool thinks they need to be in to maintain control. Car coming the opposite way slow passes a bicyclist, rider going wheeeeeeeee hits car and gets ejected killing himself. Huh, it's as IF staying in the center keeps everyone safe and almost as IF speeding faster than conditions allowed was the actual problem here. But the internet tells me the speeding doesn't kill. LOL, right.

They don't want to talk about this too, because it alarms them about themselves and those close to them that ride or drive like an idiot as well. That's why I went off topic, to bring to light the actual underlying issue about the mental issues.
 
Gunz said:
It says he was Army infantry… but I’m pretty sure he was never a full-time pig handler. Gun got away from him and any 0331 or gunner by trade would know to fire bursts.
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Former M-60 gunner here. Bursts is the only way to go unless it's for FPF. Smoke a 249 barrel, easily forgivable. Smoke both 60 barrels on the squad's primary weapon to maneuver with or by, and there's a squad leader's boot in that ass.

We had a machinegun but primarily a 1911 shoot back in 2013 to honor Detective John Hobbs, an avid 1911 fan and strong 2A supporter whom was killed in the line of duty. At this shoot a former grunt from the 70's was the owner of an M60 and me a former grunt from the 90's was first in line to get some. Was like an old bike with both love an hate feelings mixed between. Everyone else was dumping it out with no stops between belts at all. I was the only one there who did it in three round bursts like it was yesterday.
 
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