United States & Gun Control discussion.

[Kraut783]

 

[AWP]

People reading the Bill of Rights without understanding the history behind them...

The Founding Fathers knew what they were doing and had a firm grasp on mankind's evolution, to include weapons.

 

[AWP]

Just to follow up my above, a post of mine from 2015.

Post in thread 'United States & Gun Control discussion.'

Oct 26, 2015

Regarding militias, and this is a long post so you’ve been warned.

I think we frame the “militia” argument against beliefs and values of the 21st Century instead of the 18th or even the 14th centuries. Our Founding Fathers had a “liberal arts” education. There wasn’t much of a Major or specialized path, a college degree back then was “You need x classes to graduate” which meant they had a little of this and that. Law school wasn’t a necessity; you worked/ studied under a lawyer admitted to the bar and then took your test. Education was different back then.

Why this matters is it allows...

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[ThunderHorse]

§246. Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

(b) The classes of the militia are—

(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and

(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

1916 Language

Title 32 Exceptions - 32 U.S. Code § 313 - Appointments and enlistments: age limitations

(a)To be eligible for original enlistment in the National Guard, a person must be at least 17 years of age and under 45, or under 64 years of age and a former member of the Regular Army, Regular Navy, Regular Air Force, or Regular Marine Corps. To be eligible for reenlistment, a person must be under 64 years of age.

(b) To be eligible for appointment as an officer of the National Guard, a person must—
(1) be a citizen of the United States; and
(2) be at least 18 years of age and under 64.

So for like I guess the millionth time, the regulations of the militia are fairly simple. Every male that is between 17 and 45 and is a citizen. No Congress has ever even attempted to amend this language to make it only the National Guard.

 

[Devildoc]

People reading the Bill of Rights without understanding the history behind them...

The Founding Fathers knew what they were doing and had a firm grasp on mankind's evolution, to include weapons.

There is a 'however': Several of the early states/former colonies had some gun control and regulated who could and could not have guns, but to your point, they were vocal (as evidenced by the laws at the time) about requiring a militia.

Even then with the language of 2A they were letting states make their own rules regarding gun laws.

 

[ThunderHorse]

They probably meant this to hit with their base...but it is a very based argument...

 

[Kraut783]

So...in Typical Texas fashion.....

Texas lawmakers passed SB 1596, which would legalize short-barrel firearms under state law. These weapons, often called "sawed-off" shotguns, are already federally legal with restrictions. The bill now heads to Gov. Greg Abbott, who will decide whether to sign it into law.

Texas House passes bill to legalize short-barrel firearms

So, Texas has legalized suppressors that are built in Texas (no test cases yet), and now looking to do away with SBR/SBS restrictions.....

Interesting times.....

 

[AWP]

So...in Typical Texas fashion.....

Texas lawmakers passed SB 1596, which would legalize short-barrel firearms under state law. These weapons, often called "sawed-off" shotguns, are already federally legal with restrictions. The bill now heads to Gov. Greg Abbott, who will decide whether to sign it into law.

Texas House passes bill to legalize short-barrel firearms

So, Texas has legalized suppressors that are built in Texas (no test cases yet), and now looking to do away with SBR/SBS restrictions.....

Interesting times.....

Do you think this is an effort to eventually get it before the Supreme Court or otherwise cause the Federal gov't to rule on suppressors/ SBRs? Pass the law and wait for the almost guaranteed lawsuit to halt its implementation so that it then goes to the courts?

 

[ThunderHorse]

So...in Typical Texas fashion.....

Texas lawmakers passed SB 1596, which would legalize short-barrel firearms under state law. These weapons, often called "sawed-off" shotguns, are already federally legal with restrictions. The bill now heads to Gov. Greg Abbott, who will decide whether to sign it into law.

Texas House passes bill to legalize short-barrel firearms

So, Texas has legalized suppressors that are built in Texas (no test cases yet), and now looking to do away with SBR/SBS restrictions.....

Interesting times.....

Reminds me of the Montana 30-20-104. Prohibitions, MCA.

 

[Kraut783]

Do you think this is an effort to eventually get it before the Supreme Court or otherwise cause the Federal gov't to rule on suppressors/ SBRs? Pass the law and wait for the almost guaranteed lawsuit to halt its implementation so that it then goes to the courts?

Probably...kinda like legalizing weed in several states and able to tax it. Still federally illegal....but the feds are ignoring/allowing it.

 

[Kraut783]

Reminds me of the Montana 30-20-104. Prohibitions, MCA.

First time I have heard of this...any test cases yet?