Women in Combat Arms/ SOF Discussion

[DocIllinois]

Everyone wants to be tough shit until it's time to do tough shit.........

Everyone also wants to impose well meaning civilian values upon the military until it's time to face the realities of another all out war. Those same people will then look on in bewilderment and disappointment when an organized enemy rolls over what they believe will pass for our fighting force.

"The problem is not that Americans are soft but that they simply will not face what war is all about until they have had their teeth kicked in." - T.R. Fehrenbach, This Kind of War, Ch. 25

 

[Gunz]

Everyone also wants to impose well meaning civilian values upon the military until it's time to face the realities of another all out war. Those same people will then look on in bewilderment and disappointment when an organized enemy rolls over what they believe will pass for our fighting force.

"The problem is not that Americans are soft but that they simply will not face what war is all about until they have had their teeth kicked in." - T.R. Fehrenbach, This Kind of War, Ch. 25

Well said, especially the bold, because that trend began years ago with regard to restrictive ROE and battlefield "etiquette," largely implemented by risk averse civilian leadership; a leadership that since the end of Vietnam has become increasingly distant from and unfamiliar with military service. Now the trend has moved from the battlefield into social, moral and political aspects of daily peacetime military life and I think it will continue. Once implemented, policies are rarely rescinded.

 

[Scholar]

I'm not a member of the military yet, but after reading maybe 10 pages on this thread I get the sense that many service members view the issue of women in Combat Arms the same way I do: if they can qualify without the standards being altered, let them give it a shot. This also happens to be the way I and presumably y'all think about men in combat arms. After all, the standards are the standards and they're pretty self explanatory. This shows that it's not a question of equality or women's rights, it's just a prop show to draw the votes of the uneducated social justice activists, most of whom don't have an inkling of what it takes to win a war and many of whom think that America could stand to lose a war just to prove that "we're not as great as we think we are"( I'm quoting a class mate from my freshman PoliSci class). As a member of the generation that wants free college and birth control whatever the cost, I'm sad to report that it's working. There's a lot of ignorance in this country and it frightens me to think about what it's going to take to wake us up.

 

[TLDR20]

I'm not a member of the military yet, but after reading maybe 10 pages on this thread I get the sense that many service members view the issue of women in Combat Arms the same way I do: if they can qualify without the standards being altered, let them give it a shot. This also happens to be the way I and presumably y'all think about men in combat arms. After all, the standards are the standards and they're pretty self explanatory. This shows that it's not a question of equality or women's rights, it's just a prop show to draw the votes of the uneducated social justice activists, most of whom don't have an inkling of what it takes to win a war and many of whom think that America could stand to lose a war just to prove that "we're not as great as we think we are"( I'm quoting a class mate from my freshman PoliSci class). As a member of the generation that wants free college and birth control whatever the cost, I'm sad to report that it's working. There's a lot of ignorance in this country and it frightens me to think about what it's going to take to wake us up.

Thanks stud, keep weighing in on things you honestly don't understand yet. Have you had the sociology class where they talk about the effects of abortion and birth control on crime? Have you carried a mortar up a mountain? Have you carried a buddy on your back for 500M? Maybe you should just wade the fuck on out of this convo.

 

[Scholar]

@TLDR20 Roger. I'm out

 

[Teufel]

@Scholar, we certainly welcome your input and participation on this board. We here at shadowspear pride ourselves on being an inclusive organization unlike other forums on the internet. I don't want you to be discouraged. I am sure you are learning a lot of great theories and ideas at college right now. You have to understand that this is an emotionally charged subject for many members here and this is an area where theory probably should be tempered with experience. @racing_kitty, for example, (sorry for calling you out) is a female service-member who is holding her own (and then some) in the highly selective, extremely competitive and male dominated Explosives Ordnance Field. I really appreciate the invaluable perspective and experience she brings to this conversation. Other members here also have also had unique experiences in the subject matter. You can learn a lot from reading and participating in this site. I have been in the Marine Corps for quite a while and I still experience professional growth on this forum. The key is to understand when and how to participate here. I wish you the best of luck in your future endeavors and encourage you to continue to use this site as a resource.

 

[Brill]

I'll keep saying it until it happens:

@Teufel for Congress!!!!

 

[TLDR20]

Thanks stud, keep weighing in on things you honestly don't understand yet. Have you had the sociology class where they talk about the effects of abortion and birth control on crime? Have you carried a mortar up a mountain? Have you carried a buddy on your back for 500M? Maybe you should just wade the fuck on out of this convo.

This was a dick post on my part. We have exchanged PM's, and I think scholar understands my position now.

 

[Viper1]

I'll keep saying it until it happens:

@Teufel for Congress!!!!

You mean for President, 2020

 

[Teufel]

Could you imagine me as a politician? I would have to significantly censor myself to get elected. It would never happen!

 

[Ooh-Rah]

Could you imagine me as a politician? I would have to significantly censor myself to get elected. It would never happen!

Saying what you think certainly hasn't hurt Trump. Not comparing you to him obviously, but I do think he has shown that the national is ready for someone who will call a spade-a-spade.

 

[Brill]

Could you imagine me as a politician? I would have to significantly censor myself to get elected. It would never happen!

Can you imagine anyone else but Bush atop the rubble with that bullhorn? I'm glad nobody censored him.

Bill would have humped the firefighter's leg, Barrack would have bowed to him, and Hillary would have asked for a donation for The Foundation.

 

[DocIllinois]

Saying what you think certainly hasn't hurt Trump. Not comparing you to him obviously, but I do think he has shown that the national is ready for someone who will call a spade-a-spade.

I take issue with that notion.

Inside Donald Trump's Meltdown


It doesn't matter what qualities of directness a wanna-be politician displays if they otherwise insist upon alienating huge voting blocs, IMO.

He's giving the election away to Hillary and she is man enough to take it from him.
I admit that this is a sidebar here, though.

 

[Centermass]

As if this was any surprise......

Two female Army officers will make history when they report to Fort Bragg, North Carolina, in their first step toward earning the Special Forces tab and becoming Green Berets.

The female officers, whom Army officials declined to identify, could attend their first Special Forces Assessment and Selection (SFAS) class as early as October, though neither has yet received orders for training at Fort Bragg.

Full Story

Unconfirmed, but apparently, the first woman to attempt the Special Forces assessment phase quit within 48 hours.

 

[amlove21]

Unconfirmed, but apparently, the first woman to attempt the Special Forces assessment phase quit within 48 hours.

Yeah, the media needs to get a grip on what they consider "news" reporting.

90% of our candidates fail, yet, every couple weeks I hear about the next Battlefield Airman female giving it a shot. If I was reporting on the issue, I wouldn't bother with any candidate that hasn't passed selection, indoc, assessment, whatever. You're just wasting your time before that.

 

[racing_kitty]

Unconfirmed, but apparently, the first woman to attempt the Special Forces assessment phase quit within 48 hours.

I'm going to withhold comments, because there's nothing I can say that isn't snark-infused and dripping with nonproductive sarcasm. :wall:

 

[Etype]

Unconfirmed, but apparently, the first woman to attempt the Special Forces assessment phase quit within 48 hours.

Yeah, the media needs to get a grip on what they consider "news" reporting.

90% of our candidates fail, yet, every couple weeks I hear about the next Battlefield Airman female giving it a shot. If I was reporting on the issue, I wouldn't bother with any candidate that hasn't passed selection, indoc, assessment, whatever. You're just wasting your time before that.

The first 48 hours- so a lay out, a PT test, weighing rucks, and maybe a run?

Yeah, if every candidate that quit was news worthy, they'd have one-hundred or so articles from every selection class.

 

[DocIllinois]

Direct recent quote from one of my NCOs: "A couple gals failed a course that most people fail and the media picked it up? Well, if it bleeds it leads, I guess."

Have a thick skin, ladies, and welcome to the combat arms.

 

[Ranger Psych]

I'm going to withhold comments, because there's nothing I can say that isn't snark-infused and dripping with reproductive sarcasm. :wall:

Fixed

 

[TLDR20]

Unconfirmed, but apparently, the first woman to attempt the Special Forces assessment phase quit within 48 hours.

I think we took a PT test and all the mental evals, and maybe a run... The first 48 hours were the most stressful for me though because I had come from SOPc and thought some form of hammer was going to drop.