Your 2024 Presidential Election Thread

[Devildoc]

OK, I concur that definitions are important. What are the delineations for you? What policy positions quantify the far left?

I am registered unaffiliated (i.e., independent). I've been called alt-right, far-right, and neo-right. I don't know the difference.

 

[Cookie_]

OK, I concur that definitions are important. What are the delineations for you? What policy positions quantify the far left?

Like any far end of the spectrum, there will be some differences between groups that can vary wildly; I'll try to break it down into the big similarities and then highlight some weird ones.

The common ones:

Labor- partial/full worker-ownership of businesses (socialism)

Economic- nationalization of some industries; Anti-corprate/capitalist regulation

Healthcare- single payer/universal systems

Education- state funded

Foriegn policy- non-interventionist

Criminal- abolishment of private carceral system

Climate- increased protections to regrowth

Social issues tend to match basic Dem left ones, but you'll get some weird things like the Green party calling for full reparations while the ASP wants to ban same-sex marriage.
Gun rights get super crazy too.

I think Bernie is a good line of where I'd say "far left" starts in the US.

 

[Chopstick]

Casey still won't concede. It's only costing the tax payers of PA another million bucks or so.
Mike Lee calls on Casey to concede race, says he could lose Senate seat

Sen. Mike Lee said Republicans could refuse to seat Sen. Bob Casey if the Democrat is declared the winner of a bitterly contested recount effort materializing in Pennsylvania.
“If Bob Casey doesn’t concede, Pennsylvania keeps counting illegal votes, & Casey relies on those votes to claim victory, the Senate could refuse to seat him,” Mr. Lee, Utah Republican, wrote on X Saturday, citing a clause from Article I, Section 5 of the Constitution that says, “Each House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members.”


The X post was a follow-up to his earlier post that said, “Bob Casey, you’re better than this! It’s time to concede now.” The post was a response to another post that included a screenshot of The Washington Post op-ed slamming Pennsylvania Democrats for counting invalid ballots.

 

[Muppet]

Casey still won't concede. It's only costing the tax payers of PA another million bucks or so.
Mike Lee calls on Casey to concede race, says he could lose Senate seat

Fucking Casey is a dick head. Thanks fuck face, our tax dollars wasted.

 

[ThunderHorse]

Casey still won't concede. It's only costing the tax payers of PA another million bucks or so.
Mike Lee calls on Casey to concede race, says he could lose Senate seat

The ballots have been illegally counted, he is not the duly elected senator even if Bucks County keeps shitting out dead folks votes. Those commissioners need to be brought up on charges of election fraud.

 

[The Quartermaster]

OK, I concur that definitions are important.

Agreed, on all of it. We do need a talk about why using words and phrases not in context is intellectually indefensible. However I will admit semantics does exist and isn't necessarily a bad thing. However when it's uses are purposely being done to appeal to things or for shaming when both the shame calling and out of context uses, is intellectual dishonesty with misinformation and this needs to be curb stomped.

 

[Muppet]

The ballots have been illegally counted, he is not the duly elected senator even if Bucks County keeps shitting out dead folks votes. Those commissioners need to be brought up on charges of election fraud.

The fucker is, we live in Bucks County (lower end, just north of philly). Crazy how we are barely hearing anything about it.

 

[amlove21]

Here, I posted a video from X and not IG.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1857422806956331088

Shortly after this event, investigators (in 2022) dropped the investigation mainly because the 2 ‘witnesses’ they based the entire investigation on were believed to be not credible, and they (investigators) were sure they wouldn’t get a conviction if they brought the case.

Believe what you’d like to believe; but you’re telling me the same DOJ that brought 4 cases against Trump, the SAME DOJ that had Gaetz’s dad wear a wire in hopes they’d snare Gaetz on something- that same apparatus had Gaetz dead to rights and just didn’t prosecute? And now Adam Schiff is leading the charge calling for Gartz’s blocking?

No? Anyone? That doesn’t seem odd? It doesn’t feel exactly like projection?

Uh, ok. Anyway, confirm Gaetz immediately. Any republicans that don’t vote for him, primary them and strip them of their committee positions.

 

[Devildoc]

Here, I posted a video from X and not IG.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1857422806956331088

Shortly after this event, investigators (in 2022) dropped the investigation mainly because the 2 ‘witnesses’ they based the entire investigation on were believed to be not credible, and they (investigators) were sure they wouldn’t get a conviction if they brought the case.

Believe what you’d like to believe; but you’re telling me the same DOJ that brought 4 cases against Trump, the SAME DOJ that had Gaetz’s dad wear a wire in hopes they’d snare Gaetz on something- that same apparatus had Gaetz dead to rights and just didn’t prosecute? And now Adam Schiff is leading the charge calling for Gartz’s blocking?

No? Anyone? That doesn’t seem odd? It doesn’t feel exactly like projection?

Uh, ok. Anyway, confirm Gaetz immediately. Any republicans that don’t vote for him, primary them and strip them of their committee positions.

I've shouted this from rooftops and... crickets. Gaetz was cleared. Push him through.

 

[Topkick]

And now Adam Schiff is leading the charge calling for Gartz’s blocking?

I usually want the opposite of what Adam Schiff wants. it's a pretty good compass.

 

[amlove21]

I've shouted this from rooftops and... crickets. Gaetz was cleared. Push him through.

Welp. Here we are, right?

I usually want the opposite of what Adam Schiff wants. it's a pretty good compass.

IDK how this isn’t just straight up slander/libel.

Schiff on Gaetz’s AG nod: ‘He’s not only unqualified. He is really disqualified’

I don’t have strong enough language to accurately explain my dislike for Schiff. Honestly.

 

[ThunderHorse]

In regards to Left Wing, super Liberal crazy people controlling the party. There was a time when CNN and MSNBC did not platform crazy people and did not platform lunatic ideas. 85% of Americans say Boys who Transition to not being males do not belong in Girls sports. I have to find the number but it's in the high 90s, boys who don't transition but identify as not being male do not belong in Girls sports.

Every legitimate study shows advantage, advantage that doesn't go away, ever. But here we have Circle Back Girl STANNING for limiting women's competitive spaces. WOMEN, need to stand up for their own spaces. It's pretty shitty that in the name of equality people want women to invade male spaces. A space they don't have advantage, so if they make it, so be it. Provided the standards are maintained. But WOMEN (read assigned female sex at birth) have allowed this lunacy to occur and only MEN (assigned male at birth) have been the ones to defend the spaces of their daughters. And WOMEN have attacked the few women who have defended their space. (see JK Rowling)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1858494485014905218

I'm sure Blue Sky will platform Psaki, but MSNBC needs to react to demand otherwise they're going to disappear overnight.

 

[amlove21]

Hilarious and awesome.

Trump sends word that if they don't confirm Gaetz, he will use the Federal Vacancies Reform Act. It allows for a vacant position to be filled for 210 days, with a 210-day extension.

Donald Trump floats workaround if Senate won’t confirm AG pick Matt Gaetz

This is called, "righteously using the levers of power when you have them to achieve a desired effect", and I am here for it. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

 

[Topkick]

I usually want the opposite of what Adam Schiff wants. it's a pretty good compass.

And the reasons I want Gaetz confirmed are the reasons they don't. Either way, its been a master-class troll move by President Trump.

 

[Devildoc]

Best 4:29 you'll have today...

 

[Cookie_]

Hilarious and awesome.

Trump sends word that if they don't confirm Gaetz, he will use the Federal Vacancies Reform Act. It allows for a vacant position to be filled for 210 days, with a 210-day extension.

Donald Trump floats workaround if Senate won’t confirm AG pick Matt Gaetz

This is called, "righteously using the levers of power when you have them to achieve a desired effect", and I am here for it. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

Looking at the act and congressional reviews, it reads as if Gaetz wouldn't be eligible under the act.

BLUF:
Eligble people are:
1. First assistant, I.E. deputy director
2. Someone else appointed through Senate process
3. GS-15 or SES member of that agency

Who Can Serve as an Acting Officer? Section 3345 allows three classes of government officials or employees to temporarily perform the functions and duties of a vacant advice-and-consent office under the Vacancies Act. First, as a default and automatic rule, once an office becomes vacant, “the first assistant to the office” becomes the acting officer.The term “first assistant” is a term of art under the Vacancies Act. Nonetheless, the term is not defined by the Act and its meaning is somewhat ambiguous. The Vacancies Act’s legislative history suggests that the term refers to an office’s “top deputy.” For some offices, a statute or regulation explicitly designates an office to be the “first assistant” to that position. However, not all offices have such statutory or regulatory designations, and in those cases, who qualifies as the “first assistant” to that office may be open to debate. One additional question has been whether a first assistant must be serving at the time the vacancy occurs, or whether a person who later steps into the first assistant position can also serve as an acting officer under this provision of the Vacancies Act. The most recent executive branch position on this question concludes that new first assistants can step in as acting officials. In a 2001 opinion, the OLC noted that the text of the Vacancies Act refers to “the first assistant to the office,” not the particular officer. The OLC emphasized that prior versions of the Act had formerly used the phrase “first assistant to the officer,” and argued that requiring a first assistant to be in place at the time of the vacancy would, in effect, improperly revive this old text by requiring that person to be the first assistant to the departing officer. Apart from the first assistant, the President “madirect ct” two other classes of officials to serve as acting officers instead.103 First, the President may direct a person who has been confirmed to a different advice-and-consent position to serve as acting officer. Second, the President can select a senior “officer or employee” of the same executive agency, if that employee served in that agency for at least 90 days during the year preceding the vacancy and is paid at a rate equivalent to at least a GS-15 on the federal pay scale.

Additionally, there's wording that states the temp appointment cannot be the person nominated for the role.

Idk why they're doing all this weirdness for Gaetz when the GOP owns all the government right now. It seems more difficult than just forcing the confirmation process. Besides, doing the senate process will force people to vote, so you can identify those who won't.

Then Trump could push to:

primary them and strip them of their committee positions.

 

[amlove21]

Looking at the act and congressional reviews, it reads as if Gaetz wouldn't be eligible under the act.

BLUF:
Eligble people are:
1. First assistant, I.E. deputy director
2. Someone else appointed through Senate process
3. GS-15 or SES member of that agency



Additionally, there's wording that states the temp appointment cannot be the person nominated for the role.

Idk why they're doing all this weirdness for Gaetz when the GOP owns all the government right now. It seems more difficult than just forcing the confirmation process. Besides, doing the senate process will force people to vote, so you can identify those who won't.

Then Trump could push to:

Sure. And OSHA can't cram down an unproven MRNA medical procedure on 80M Americans. Precedent is a real bitch, right?

 

[Marauder06]

Looking at the act and congressional reviews, it reads as if Gaetz wouldn't be eligible under the act.

BLUF:
Eligble people are:
1. First assistant, I.E. deputy director
2. Someone else appointed through Senate process
3. GS-15 or SES member of that agency



Additionally, there's wording that states the temp appointment cannot be the person nominated for the role.

Idk why they're doing all this weirdness for Gaetz when the GOP owns all the government right now. It seems more difficult than just forcing the confirmation process. Besides, doing the senate process will force people to vote, so you can identify those who won't.

Then Trump could push to:

^this is excellent analysis

I have no experience in this area, so I have no idea what the rules are. But rules as cited, I think the way to do it is to appoint Gaetz as deputy director and have him stand in as the director... since there isn't one.

As for the last part, I can see two main reasons why Trump is pushing so hard for Gaetz. 1)"because I can 2)it's part of some big behind the scenes thing that we don't have a full picture about at the moment. Serving as a loyalty litmus test, as some have suggested, may indeed be the

 

[Cookie_]

Sure. And OSHA can't cram down an unproven MRNA medical procedure on 80M Americans. Precedent is a real bitch, right?

Agreed. That's why I'm interested in why they might push to establish this as precedent (or the other idea of forcing recess) when they have a majority.

I'm thinking of how Harry Reid started the judicial filibuster precedent under Bush jr, which led to the GOP doing that under Obama, which led to removing the filibuster, which then blew up in the Dems face.

Precedents have a way of coming back around to bite people in the ass.
I'm just interested in the machinations of why they're choosing to go about this the way they are doing it, and how that might come back around in 4+ years.

 

[Devildoc]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1858238662594744370