best 7.62 NATO for civilian (home) purchase?

[HOLLiS]

Negative, because that buck/birdshot would tear up the rifling. But you can change back to your smoothbore on an 870 in about 30 sec. Not that I hunt deer with a shotgun. But these copper jacketed HP core-locked rifled sabot slugs are a world apart from old style deer slugs. You've essentially got an elephant gun at your disposal--providing the elephant is within 150 yards. I use them for boar. Most of my shots at boar are within 30 to 100 yards. Just as a kick recently, I tried 20 rounds at a manhole cover at 300 yards and got 2 hits without compensating for drop...but best penetration/velocity would be less than 150.

I don't think so (not 100% on this, never heard this before), Shot is encased in a plastic case (Wad), the separates on leaving the barrel.

Check out Thompson Contender 410/45 colt barrel.


Exclusion is the old fibber wads, yes they are still used, Mostly in Black powder loads. I use both,

 

[arizonaguide]

Thanks, guys!

Thanks, guys!
Hollis, good point about the plastic...I wonder if it "spins" the shot...not that that's necessarily a bad thing (like you say: Thompson Contender). Hmmm, interesting.

7point, cool about the 300yd manhole cover. I've seen and used 12ga slugs on bear in Alaska(close range), but not out of a rifled barrel. They are "devastating"!!! So, do you use the "rifled" slugs in an actual "rifled" slug barrel? I wonder how different the "twist" is between the barrel rifling and the slug rifling. I was amazed when I found out that 12ga slugs typically have a 2000fps muzzle volocity...(and approx 3000ftlb of muzzle energy)!!
I always thought the slugs were big and slow, but they're big and (fairly)FAST!!! Yup, 12ga is such an awsome invention! Good stuff.

Now, I hunt exclusively with a camera, but still plan to carry SOMETHING on photo trips for protection.
(Although these days protection I'm thinking more from stumbling upon Pot Growers protecting their fields in the forest!)

With the wildlife photography, I still get the thrill of the hunt (stealth/tracking), and the "trophy" of a good picture, but I don't have to skin and harvest (maybe even 1000+lbs) of large warm blooded animal!! (Bear meet not that good to MY taste..although some would very much disagree!!)


But, we used to have two freezers in the garage in Alaska...one with Moose/Caribou (raindeer, mmmmmm!), and the other with Salmon and Halibut! (and Crab if we had a good catch)
We had one crab pot (on a 16' fiberform, no shit!) and we would drop it in the morning, fish (halibut/salmon) for half a day, then come back and pull the crab pot!!!

Never had to buy much meat over the winters...from all the stuff gotten in the summers/fall.:) Damn, now I'm homesick! Maybe we ought to start a hunting story thread, after all it is fall.
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[HOLLiS]

When I lived in AZ, I would call coyotes. The thing that is interesting, one never knows who is going to answer the dinner bell. I started to bring my camera. Desert Hawks are really beautiful when they zoom down to see what is for dinner. Also, coyotes have some interesting expressions.

 

[arizonaguide]

I've got some pic's that I got when I found a den of Coyote Pups..with the funniest expressions. I'll post them to my albums tomorrow.
I'm liking Arizona. Total National Geographic stuff!

Here tis:

 

[arizonaguide]

Hey, anyone have any experience/knowlege about the DPMS Panther 7.62NATO?
($989) http://www.dpmsinc.com/store/products/?prod=5355&cat=1737

 

[08steeda]

My brother has a Panther from DPMS in 7.62 and it is awesome! Although I beat him all the time with my Bushmaster! But the difference is the shooters not the rifles.

Although he did talk smack a while back and we went to a 200 YD range and lets just say he bought dinner for me at a really expensive place!!

My brother is self taught and just likes cool toys.

His Panther is the first gen of the 7.62 variety and I have heard they have improved upon the design some since then.

Personally I would go with the .338 Remington for AZ. The ballistics look a little more impressive. Flatter shooting round with more pop out to longer distances. at 300 Yds the drop is -10.5 on average where as a 308 is more like 14+ inch drop.

Obviously different loads will play differently but over the counter numbers make the .338 a monster compared to .308 (7.62 Nato)

 

[arizonaguide]

Good thoughts 08, but if I did that I have sentimental reasons that I have to get a .300 Weatherby (Dad's old gun that I "lost"(stupid kid!), and I still never hear the end of it!).

Dad would probably forgive me today (25yrs later) IF I come wandering in with another pre-1964 Remington 700 re-chambered from .300H&H to .300Whby! AND, I need to do that in the next couple years...as neither Dad or I are getting any younger!
:)
Now THAT's 'flat shooting"...but (in fact) the .338 or .375 would be my next choices (after the .300 Weatherby)!!
What's this new Lapua round, though? That's pretty comparable also, huh?

And I still have a crazy idea in my head that if I can't pull the $$$ for a good .308, that I might go with that .45-70 Alaskan. Not a real "flat" shooter...but mostly under 500yds anyway. And Obama won't be able to "bitch and snitch" that one, right? AND real good for Alaska photo summer stuff.
:)

Personal NOTE: ...see, I still can't even admit to myself that I traded the .300 for a damn M1Garand...and have to say I "lost" it.
well, I did lose it...to my STUPIDITY!!!! What's Worse: now I have neither!!!