Bin Laden Raid Book: First-Hand Account Of Navy SEAL Mission Will Be Released On Sept. 11
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Maybe, but as the new kid on the block, I'll stand down and see if some other soul, braver than I, will pursue one of those extensions.
How long have you been a member of this site? My current avatar notwithstanding, we don't ban people here for effectively and logically arguing a point of view, even if it goes against something a member of the staff says. Especially if that someone is me. So I don't understand what you're implying, but it's starting to piss me off. Say what you mean and start making sense, or drop the subject.
Maybe, but as the new kid on the block, I'll stand down and see if some other soul, braver than I, will pursue one of those extensions.
Are you just going to make veiled references to your "objective extensions", or are you actually going to present an argument?
I did.
OK fine. Issue over, returning to the original subject of this thread.
Well I greatly enjoyed the book.
http://www.humanevents.com/2012/09/10/pfarrer-bissonnette-did-shot-bin-laden/
The retired Navy SEAL officer, and author of “SEAL Target Geronimo: The Inside Story of the Mission to Kill Osama bin Laden,” in an exclusive interview with Human Events, said inconsistencies in Matt Bissonnette’s memoirs of the raid on Bin Laden tell him Bisonette was not part of the entry team that shot Bin Laden.
In connection with the release of his book, Bissonnette, writing under the name Mark Owen, gave a lengthy interview on the CBS “60 Minutes” program, complete with a scale model of the Abbottabad compound.
After watching the “60 Minutes” interview and reading “No Easy Day,” Chuck Pfarrer, a former commander of the Naval Special Warfare Development Group, known as SEAL Team 6, the same team credited with the May 2 raid on Bin Laden’s compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, said he is unconvinced and confused.
Bisonette’s description of coming up the stairs to the third floor and killing Bin Laden’s son Kalid Laden and then reaching Bin Laden himself does not make sense, he said.
The Pakistanis say Kalid was shot from a higher position, he said. Two bullets hit him above the eyes that came out at the bottom of the back of his head. “There were no foot prints in the blood on the stairs,” he said. No one came up the stairs past Kalid on to the third floor.
“I am convinced he was not part of the entry team,” he said.
An equally glaring falsehood in Bissonnette’s book, “No Easy Day,” involved how and when the entry team reached Bin Laden and the book’s bizarre account of the helicopter crash, Pfarrer said.
Bissonnette claims the Black Hawk carrying the insertion team crashed upon its approach on one of the interior walls in the compound, he said. There is no way the Black Hawk landed with its tail on the wall with front and back rotors continuing to spin as the assault team members and flight crew egressed for the mission without rotors hitting the ground or personnel.
“An object 77 feet, six inches perched on a 15-foot wall would certainly have a rotor strike,” he said.
“It is simple trigonometry.”
“Saying that this thing landed with its tail on the wall and its nose in the dirt and that miraculously — and he uses that word, didn’t have a rotor strike, that is completely implausible,” he said.
Pfarrer said he cannot understand why Bissonnette would make up key parts of the story.
“I honestly don’t know what the motivation could be,” he said.
“Let’s not even talk about my sources, Mohamed Bashir, Bin Laden’s closest neighbor, said he saw the helicopter land on the roof and he saw people jump out of the helicopter off the roof into the third floor terrace,” he said. “Bissonnette’s story differs from every from every single person I have spoken to, and every person the Pakistanis spoke to.”
In addition to speaking to members of SEAL Team 6, who were on the raid, Pfarrer, a retired SEAL officer, had accessed to the 150-page report produced by Pakistani security forces, he said. The White Paper by a very well-respected Pakistani Army general is the basis for much of the new information he included in the soon to be released edition of “SEAL Target Geronimo.”
Urban warfare doctrine calls for taking a building from the top down when possible, he said.
“Everyone I talk to, the assaulters, they all say the same thing,” he said. “Successful insertion on the roof, and bin Laden’s business was over in 90 to 120 seconds.”
Instead of fast roping, the Black Hawk landed the assaulters directly on the roof, he said. The assaulters then crashed through a two windows onto the Bin Laden’s compartments on the third floor.
“The helicopter remained on the roof for 10, 12, 18 minutes — it was on there,” he said. Then once the shooting was over, the helicopter was supposed to then move park in the compound yard, staged to pick people up and take them out.
It was moving from the roof to the staging position that the helicopter crashed, he said.
The only possible explanation for Bissonnette’s narrative is that out of respect for the Task Force 160 pilots and flight crew, Bissonnette concocted his version of the crash, putting the crash as part of the insertion, so as to deflect from the obvious pilot error that cost the mission one of its aircraft, he said.
“The Task Force 160 guys are the best,” he said. “Even in my own book, I tried to treat the crash as gently as possible.”
“Here’s the other outstanding thing in Bissonnette’s story, he’s trying to say it was 15 minutes before they got to the third floor,” he said.
“How is possible that Bin Laden would wait in his room 15 minutes for the attackers to come get him,” he said. “It can’t happen that way”
“Are we really supposed to think that his shots are the ones that got Bin Laden, and it was 15 minutes after his boots hit the ground that he finally made it to the third floor and engaged?” he said.
Pfarrer said he agrees with Bissonnette’s account that Bin Laden had a pistol and rifle in his room, but it is bizarre that after a helicopter crash, three explosive breeches and a firefight coming up the stairs, Bin Laden had not yet reached for his firearms.
“That’s where the whole thing falls apart,” he said.
“I have a hard time explaining any of this,” he said. “I’ve been on missions, and I don’t talk about where I was and when I engaged people, I don’t know, it’s unfathomable. He is now making himself the biggest target in the world.”
The retired Navy SEAL officer, and author of “SEAL Target Geronimo: The Inside Story of the Mission to Kill Osama bin Laden,” in an exclusive interview with Human Events, said inconsistencies in Matt Bissonnette’s memoirs of the raid on Bin Laden tell him Bisonette was not part of the entry team that shot Bin Laden.
In connection with the release of his book, Bissonnette, writing under the name Mark Owen, gave a lengthy interview on the CBS “60 Minutes” program, complete with a scale model of the Abbottabad compound.
After watching the “60 Minutes” interview and reading “No Easy Day,” Chuck Pfarrer, a former commander of the Naval Special Warfare Development Group, known as SEAL Team 6, the same team credited with the May 2 raid on Bin Laden’s compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, said he is unconvinced and confused.
Bisonette’s description of coming up the stairs to the third floor and killing Bin Laden’s son Kalid Laden and then reaching Bin Laden himself does not make sense, he said.
The Pakistanis say Kalid was shot from a higher position, he said. Two bullets hit him above the eyes that came out at the bottom of the back of his head. “There were no foot prints in the blood on the stairs,” he said. No one came up the stairs past Kalid on to the third floor.
“I am convinced he was not part of the entry team,” he said.
An equally glaring falsehood in Bissonnette’s book, “No Easy Day,” involved how and when the entry team reached Bin Laden and the book’s bizarre account of the helicopter crash, Pfarrer said.
Bissonnette claims the Black Hawk carrying the insertion team crashed upon its approach on one of the interior walls in the compound, he said. There is no way the Black Hawk landed with its tail on the wall with front and back rotors continuing to spin as the assault team members and flight crew egressed for the mission without rotors hitting the ground or personnel.
“An object 77 feet, six inches perched on a 15-foot wall would certainly have a rotor strike,” he said.
“It is simple trigonometry.”
“Saying that this thing landed with its tail on the wall and its nose in the dirt and that miraculously — and he uses that word, didn’t have a rotor strike, that is completely implausible,” he said.
Pfarrer said he cannot understand why Bissonnette would make up key parts of the story.
“I honestly don’t know what the motivation could be,” he said.
“Let’s not even talk about my sources, Mohamed Bashir, Bin Laden’s closest neighbor, said he saw the helicopter land on the roof and he saw people jump out of the helicopter off the roof into the third floor terrace,” he said. “Bissonnette’s story differs from every from every single person I have spoken to, and every person the Pakistanis spoke to.”
In addition to speaking to members of SEAL Team 6, who were on the raid, Pfarrer, a retired SEAL officer, had accessed to the 150-page report produced by Pakistani security forces, he said. The White Paper by a very well-respected Pakistani Army general is the basis for much of the new information he included in the soon to be released edition of “SEAL Target Geronimo.”
Urban warfare doctrine calls for taking a building from the top down when possible, he said.
“Everyone I talk to, the assaulters, they all say the same thing,” he said. “Successful insertion on the roof, and bin Laden’s business was over in 90 to 120 seconds.”
Instead of fast roping, the Black Hawk landed the assaulters directly on the roof, he said. The assaulters then crashed through a two windows onto the Bin Laden’s compartments on the third floor.
“The helicopter remained on the roof for 10, 12, 18 minutes — it was on there,” he said. Then once the shooting was over, the helicopter was supposed to then move park in the compound yard, staged to pick people up and take them out.
It was moving from the roof to the staging position that the helicopter crashed, he said.
The only possible explanation for Bissonnette’s narrative is that out of respect for the Task Force 160 pilots and flight crew, Bissonnette concocted his version of the crash, putting the crash as part of the insertion, so as to deflect from the obvious pilot error that cost the mission one of its aircraft, he said.
“The Task Force 160 guys are the best,” he said. “Even in my own book, I tried to treat the crash as gently as possible.”
“Here’s the other outstanding thing in Bissonnette’s story, he’s trying to say it was 15 minutes before they got to the third floor,” he said.
“How is possible that Bin Laden would wait in his room 15 minutes for the attackers to come get him,” he said. “It can’t happen that way”
“Are we really supposed to think that his shots are the ones that got Bin Laden, and it was 15 minutes after his boots hit the ground that he finally made it to the third floor and engaged?” he said.
Pfarrer said he agrees with Bissonnette’s account that Bin Laden had a pistol and rifle in his room, but it is bizarre that after a helicopter crash, three explosive breeches and a firefight coming up the stairs, Bin Laden had not yet reached for his firearms.
“That’s where the whole thing falls apart,” he said.
“I have a hard time explaining any of this,” he said. “I’ve been on missions, and I don’t talk about where I was and when I engaged people, I don’t know, it’s unfathomable. He is now making himself the biggest target in the world.”
That's dknob's job -- to secure a copy of the helmet cam video of the raid. LOL!
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What is it with online publications these days? Does no one proofread their work anymore? Reading that article made me cringe.
My comment from the peanut gallery: This seems to very quickly be digressing into mere speculation and "I talked to my friend who knows a guy whose brother's uncle is on the team, and he said..." type comments and insinuations.
My comment from the peanut gallery: This seems to very quickly be digressing into mere speculation and "I talked to my friend who knows a guy whose brother's uncle is on the team, and he said..." type comments and insinuations.
Chuck Pfarrer is such a douche omg hahah.
Inconsistencies? If anything the whole thing makes more sense after reading Mark tell the tale.
Chuck's experiences are outdated and insignificant to the topic at hand.
Inconsistencies? If anything the whole thing makes more sense after reading Mark tell the tale.
Chuck's experiences are outdated and insignificant to the topic at hand.
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No offense to Chuck at all, I respect him for what he's done - but I have to agree with you on this one.
Again, with all due respect to him, but didn't he try to claim he was training DevGru Operators for or before the Bin Laden Op went down? I'm sorry, but I'm just a little skeptical considering his...uh...how do I put this, considering the shape he's in.
Read the link "The Pakistani's say...."
That's all I needed to see to know Chuck is woofing crap. He's pissed that his book/movie rights are getting squeezed and is trying to make himself relevant.
That's all I needed to see to know Chuck is woofing crap. He's pissed that his book/movie rights are getting squeezed and is trying to make himself relevant.
shit, guys are just comin' out of the woodwork now!
He never even mentions "stealth helicopter" in the entire book. Interesting.
There was a neat little factoid that I didn't know as well. He said that no East Coast SEAL Team was deployed into Afghanistan or Iraq until 2004. That's sad.
There was a neat little factoid that I didn't know as well. He said that no East Coast SEAL Team was deployed into Afghanistan or Iraq until 2004. That's sad.
Laid-back surfers vs Carhartt-wearing rednecks 
Yea, it's funny, isn't it?
Curious to know how many cheer leaders for the book could be counted on in the future when it comes to classified info, safeguarding national secrets or conducting ops? The whole thing makes me sick.
Nothing like getting PNG'd from the community or wondering each and every time you answer the door or start your car.
Hope it was worth it.
Curious to know how many cheer leaders for the book could be counted on in the future when it comes to classified info, safeguarding national secrets or conducting ops? The whole thing makes me sick.
Nothing like getting PNG'd from the community or wondering each and every time you answer the door or start your car.
Hope it was worth it.
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