Well I know for a fact most tip based workers make more off of unemployment. Like up to $500 more a week
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That was the case for my sister. Why go back to work if you can get paid more (at least temporarily) to stay at home with your kids?
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Disagree.
Unskilled labor is a thing. It's simply any job that requires very little training (say a few hours) to do well. My statement was not intended to be offensive, even if it was, but jobs, such as a barista fit this definition well. And, yes, I've worked in the service industry.
Don't confuse unskilled labor with unvalued. Those are two separate things. These may be very critical positions for a business to staff. Ex. Jimmy John's can't serve sandwiches if no one is willing to make them. Nonetheless, the value (and we all have an unwritten price tag assigned to our skills and experience) has to make financial sense in the context of the business.
As for my statement about such jobs being suitable for high schooler, I stand by that. However, that doesn't mean it can't or shouldn't be performed by others as well. There are clearly many scenarios for which this work is suitable and maybe even desirable. As mentioned, these are jobs that are needed. So, mine was not intended to be a derogatory statement about the work but rather a statement as to the barrier to entry to those positions. Pay should be commensurate with skill required.
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That indeed is a problem. Compile that with rent deferment and well...why work?
As for the staff shortages mentioned above, the US rate of unemployment is about 3.6% & here we have the same problem of no available workers as our unemployment is 3.9% which equates to full employment in both cases. The other point with people not wanting to work low paid jobs is that they can get a simple pay rise by getting a better job as there's plenty on offer currently.
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Canada's rate is 5.4% but add in those that stopped looking, it's 7.4%. Thankfully the government still publishes the full numbers but the media won't, it makes their masters look bad.
That's why our coffee is better than yours. You're paying $30 an hour to secure a good barista in Melbourne and they are driving customers into you business, they're well worth the money.
Unskilled labour is a misnomer and is probably a symptom of someone with a degree wanting to feel special. The fact is, nearly everything we do (bar subconscious stuff like breathing) is a learned skill. Walking, talking, shooting guns, making coffee, digging holes el al are all skills because we had to learn to do those things. I doubt any of us here could, say, build a satellite without education and training. Does that make us unskilled in comparison to that scientist? No. Lesser skilled in a technical sense perhaps but we might have skills we're better at than him or her. I guarantee there are people working in low paid retail that can communicate far better on a person to person level than some people here.
That's why there is no such thing as unskilled labour.
That's why there is no such thing as unskilled labour.
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It sounds like a lot of people are trying to slice a pie of semantics. A "skill" is an action or a thing which is learned but perishable.
In the workforce unskilled labor is labor which has not been taught a specific skill. To that end, there is indeed unskilled labor. Is a barista unskilled labor? Well since I can be taught in about 90 seconds how to do it, and you can, and you can and you can, it can be argued that no, that is not a skill.
Stepping out of the clouds of semantics and policy words, I see a lot of unskilled labor, and my three sons in the workforce frequently tell us stories about people who are probably in the category of unskilled labor (cannot learn how to run a register, so they bag groceries or stock shelves). Contrast to the congregated throngs of people (usually Hispanics) hanging out in front of Lowe's and Home Depot, waiting for day labor, they are very skilled labor, that are often not counted in the labor hours for unemployment/employment numbers. But they are very skilled labor.
There is a great movie once, Caddyshack, in which one character says to another that he wants to go to law school and the judge to whom he is speaking says, "well, the world needs ditch diggers, too."
Just because someone is unskilled labor does not make them unvaluable in the workforce.
In the workforce unskilled labor is labor which has not been taught a specific skill. To that end, there is indeed unskilled labor. Is a barista unskilled labor? Well since I can be taught in about 90 seconds how to do it, and you can, and you can and you can, it can be argued that no, that is not a skill.
Stepping out of the clouds of semantics and policy words, I see a lot of unskilled labor, and my three sons in the workforce frequently tell us stories about people who are probably in the category of unskilled labor (cannot learn how to run a register, so they bag groceries or stock shelves). Contrast to the congregated throngs of people (usually Hispanics) hanging out in front of Lowe's and Home Depot, waiting for day labor, they are very skilled labor, that are often not counted in the labor hours for unemployment/employment numbers. But they are very skilled labor.
There is a great movie once, Caddyshack, in which one character says to another that he wants to go to law school and the judge to whom he is speaking says, "well, the world needs ditch diggers, too."
Just because someone is unskilled labor does not make them unvaluable in the workforce.
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Matter of semantics, just like what "middle class" means in the UK is far different from what middle class means in the US.
Skilled Labor- Plumber, Mason, Electrician, Mechanic
Unskilled Labor- Fastfood Worker, Barista
Your espresso is weaker.
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I don’t begrudge anyone for making as much as they possibly can but anyone making $30 an hour as a barista is WAY overpaid and should hold it while they can.
How the hell did this become a thread on the value of a fucking barista?! This is about the last place I would expect to see this discussion. LOL
I think a worker shortage is driven by a lot of factors including location.
Here in Orlando, you see "now hiring" signs everywhere. In a town with a major university. My wife has a number of teens and college students working for her. Some have flat out stated that will take less money to avoid fast food. If my bills are covered, I can't say that I blame their position because I'd do the same. You also have businesses that have signage, but refuse to hire. There was a guy last year who applied for 60-ish and had what? 4-5 emails returned and fewer actual interviews? It was a wildly disproportionate number as I recall. If businesses are receiving a stimulus of any kind (I don't know if they are) or people can make more on the dole than working...we should not be surprised if no one is hiring or no one wants to work; there's no incentive to be on a payroll or put someone on a payroll.
Theme parks here...customers are returning but the parks aren't hiring. Disney cut something like 90% of its workforce in the parks, but even as numbers return to normal Disney has not filled those positions. Businesses have learned their profit margins are just fine with fewer employees even if that means fewer hours open or longer lines for the customer. If customers are showing up, why hire more people? Disney is going to a cost model where it only wants the rich to show up. It can charge more for tickets, food, and souvenirs and have a smaller staff if fewer people are willing to pay a great deal more for the Disney experience.
Regarding "lazy" youth. If you can run a mile in 6 minutes, that dude running his in 6:30 is slow. If you have a kick ass output, anyone behind you is "slow" or "lazy" or whatever. Are today's youth lazy or have they just not learned a work ethic? My wife sees so many kids whose parents didn't raise them as much as they threw money at a problem. Buying your kid a new car for high school isn't teaching a work ethic. Some of these "kids" have great lives, but no life lessons. I do mean none, but that's for a different post.
Like a lot of problems in the world today, this is complex, nuanced, and can vary in scope and solution from one city to the next. My solution for Orlando isn't a solution for Tampa or Miami, much less Seattle or Los Angeles, you know?
Here in Orlando, you see "now hiring" signs everywhere. In a town with a major university. My wife has a number of teens and college students working for her. Some have flat out stated that will take less money to avoid fast food. If my bills are covered, I can't say that I blame their position because I'd do the same. You also have businesses that have signage, but refuse to hire. There was a guy last year who applied for 60-ish and had what? 4-5 emails returned and fewer actual interviews? It was a wildly disproportionate number as I recall. If businesses are receiving a stimulus of any kind (I don't know if they are) or people can make more on the dole than working...we should not be surprised if no one is hiring or no one wants to work; there's no incentive to be on a payroll or put someone on a payroll.
Theme parks here...customers are returning but the parks aren't hiring. Disney cut something like 90% of its workforce in the parks, but even as numbers return to normal Disney has not filled those positions. Businesses have learned their profit margins are just fine with fewer employees even if that means fewer hours open or longer lines for the customer. If customers are showing up, why hire more people? Disney is going to a cost model where it only wants the rich to show up. It can charge more for tickets, food, and souvenirs and have a smaller staff if fewer people are willing to pay a great deal more for the Disney experience.
Regarding "lazy" youth. If you can run a mile in 6 minutes, that dude running his in 6:30 is slow. If you have a kick ass output, anyone behind you is "slow" or "lazy" or whatever. Are today's youth lazy or have they just not learned a work ethic? My wife sees so many kids whose parents didn't raise them as much as they threw money at a problem. Buying your kid a new car for high school isn't teaching a work ethic. Some of these "kids" have great lives, but no life lessons. I do mean none, but that's for a different post.
Like a lot of problems in the world today, this is complex, nuanced, and can vary in scope and solution from one city to the next. My solution for Orlando isn't a solution for Tampa or Miami, much less Seattle or Los Angeles, you know?
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I don't know about DisneyWorld.
But Disneyland has been on the "only rich people" train for a decade and a half. The only way it makes sense I guess is to buy a pass, but then you have to go way more than twice/year. A Single trip even by yourself $108. It's been over hundred bucks for ages too. Even though Six Flags and Knotts Berry Farm have not approached the century mark at all in SoCal. I know it's not the Mouse, but here in Dallas Six Flags over Texas is $35/day. That price probably hasn't changed in 15 years.
Maybe there is, but I'm not aware of a park in Orlando offering general admission for less than $100 a day. Florida residents or other groups might get a break, but in general you're looking at around $110 person.
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More mask tardism.
My daughter's high school graduation is taking place on West Point. West Point no longer requires masking or proof of vaccination to come on post (moot to me because I was one of the first batch of vaccinations in NY state). But anyone coming to the ceremony has to show proof of vaccination or a negative COVID test within 3 days in order to get in.
Why? This seems like an additional unnecessary and intrusive administrative burden on both the hosts and the guests.
The vaccinations don't work. Or at least they don't work as advertised. So why the medical theater? Anyone coming can wear a mask if they are uncomfortable with the crowd, and no one will bat an eye or give them any kind of harassment. My medical status is no one else's business unless I choose to share it, why do I have to "show my papers" to go to my daughter's graduation?
Why? This seems like an additional unnecessary and intrusive administrative burden on both the hosts and the guests.
The vaccinations don't work. Or at least they don't work as advertised. So why the medical theater? Anyone coming can wear a mask if they are uncomfortable with the crowd, and no one will bat an eye or give them any kind of harassment. My medical status is no one else's business unless I choose to share it, why do I have to "show my papers" to go to my daughter's graduation?
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It's about control dude. A more cynical person might even say it's a ritual of humiliation wrought upon us by lesser men.
Exactly, medical theater. Vaccines don't work as promised, sure it may, I stress may, keep you out of ICU, though, I have a few friends, fully jabbed, had plague once already, sick now, probably should be in hospital.
I recall our lord and savior Fauci saying, vaccines prevent, it does not, masks prevent, it does not. It's a shotgun approach to avoid litigation, maybe.
It's all nonsense. It is about control.
