Covid-19

[Grunt]

ASU researchers look for traces of COVID-19 in Tempe wastewater
And if that is the case, I'm not sure we should be shutting this bitch down like we have.

I agree. At this point, I sincerely believe that "herd immunity" would be our best bet for beating upcoming issues with this. If the numbers are to be remotely believed, I think it -- immunity gained through exposure -- would be our best course of action from here out. But, I'm just a grunt....

 

[Devildoc]

Parsing through my phone’s history will be a pain, but I found a link somewhere stating that the Pentagon was no longer releasing their numbers for the communist cooties. That came out about 4 days ago, shortly after news got out about a NJ guardsman dying of the virus.

That said, I think it’s safe to assume that one doesn’t get to be skipper of a carrier by being a fucking idiot. However, there are still too many risk-averse leaders in very high positions throughout the military. I’m willing to bet that he’d already tried talking to his boss, boss couldn’t or wouldn’t formulate a plan to get the crew off the boat, and this was the skipper’s way of using the oft-touted-but-covertly-discouraged open door policy. It’s just at that level, there aren’t too many doors to open between you and the top.

I’m not certain that the now-former skipper leaked the memo, but just the mere existence of it would piss off a lot of folks. One, for pissing all over their authority by jumping the chain (another name for the open door policy), and two, by reaffirming that senior military leadership in non-SPECOPS career tracks learn lessons at a glacial pace, because they obviously didn’t learn from the Diamond Princess last month how this shit spreads on a boat.

If you read the rebuttal from SECNAV, he states that he gave the skipper a direct line to the SECNAV’s ear. That’s the open door policy. I’ll bet my last roll of toilet paper that the reason he didn’t hear anything directly was because the skipper was hesitant in —or blocked from— using that direct channel. Too many underlings couldn’t get their shit together, and this memo to the very top was the skipper’s way of using that channel, only he went one open door further. Hence why someone else likely leaked the memo

He was cheered for giving more than a tinker’s damn about his crew. That can be a career ender in today’s military when you go up against someone to whom their subordinates are second to their careers.

I don't know how it is in the rest of the branches, in the Navy there is extraordinarily little latitude in leadership positions, and that has been historically born out and all the stories we have seen about commanding officers, executive officers, and enlisted leaders getting the ax. True, in some cases it is very obvious and they need to go, but some cases were real head scratchers, as in what the hell?

I would venture to wager that all of us on this forum have seen the hypocrisy in actions like this, and then being told that leadership should always have your people's best interests, and exercise command judgment.

 

[Grunt]

The biggest problem that I see in this incident in particular is that to get to his rank, you have to chose to be a politician more than rank and file -- even if your heart is there. However, when you *follow* your heart where it leads you to action -- if it upsets the *politicians*, you will pay a price for going against the establishment. He did that and is now paying for it.

 

[BloodStripe]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1246043872402313217

I saw that, though the CO is not there to make friends.

 

[RackMaster]

Canadian troops are mobilizing. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/forces-mobalized-fight-coronavirus-1.5518503

 

[0699]

Parsing through my phone’s history will be a pain, but I found a link somewhere stating that the Pentagon was no longer releasing their numbers for the communist cooties. That came out about 4 days ago, shortly after news got out about a NJ guardsman dying of the virus.

I read this too. Releasing those numbers provides insight to our enemies about our current capabilities. Makes sense to me that we aren't revealing those numbers.

You can be liked by your crew and still be a bad officer. I've seen this more than a few times at the lower level, being liked is not a measure of effectiveness.

I agree 100%. Too many people equate being liked with being an effective leader. Sometimes leaders have to make difficult and unpopular choices.

Canadian troops are mobilizing. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/forces-mobalized-fight-coronavirus-1.5518503

Toques and Tim Horton's for everyone!!

He was cheered for giving more than a tinker’s damn about his crew. That can be a career ender in today’s military when you go up against someone to whom their subordinates are second to their careers.

What's the possibility they were cheering because he was an idiot and they were glad to see him go? I don't know, I just don't want to assume. There have been plenty of people in leadership positions who I've been happy to see leave. Just saying.

 

[racing_kitty]

What's the possibility they were cheering because he was an idiot and they were glad to see him go? I don't know, I just don't want to assume. There have been plenty of people in leadership positions who I've been happy to see leave. Just saying.

I’ve had my share of toxic leaders, too. We’d just jeer or stand in silence. In a couple of instances, snickering and giggling was heard through formation. No fucks given, no leadership displayed. Then again, I wasn’t a Marine.

 

[BloodStripe]

If he cared so much about the crew, why go to a port visit in Vietnam when the coronavirus was ongoing? He put his crew in danger.

 

[Florida173]

an interesting chart

 

[RackMaster]

You're welcome. I've spent a lot of time following Quarantine Fight Club...
Brad (@quarantine_fight_club) • Instagram photos and videos

 

[ThunderHorse]

Put under, definitely Chinese Propaganda: 'Opportunity of the century': How the coronavirus crisis could establish China as a global leader

WTF are US media outlets doing?

 

[Devildoc]

I agree 100%. Too many people equate being liked with being an effective leader. Sometimes leaders have to make difficult and unpopular choices.

What's the possibility they were cheering because he was an idiot and they were glad to see him go? I don't know, I just don't want to assume. There have been plenty of people in leadership positions who I've been happy to see leave. Just saying.

Do you have "the full story?". I certainly don't. Clearly people are interpreting the video a couple different ways. Like all these stories of COs getting canned, we'll likely not get the full story.

 

[Brill]

Meaning what?

@pardus, there was a question about sheep.

 

[Brill]

That can be a career ender in today’s military when you go up against someone to whom their subordinates are second to their careers.

Or fast track to CNN as a military analyst.

 

[Cookie_]

Put under, definitely Chinese Propaganda: 'Opportunity of the century': How the coronavirus crisis could establish China as a global leader

WTF are US media outlets doing?

A story about how China is likely to attempt to position themselves as a global leader using this situation is Chinese propaganda now?

We've literally got threads on this board about all of the CCP's overseas initiatives in attempts to establish themselves as a world leader.

 

[CQB]

Foreigners in China are becoming persona non grata. This is one of the many signs that China is prepping to do some evil shit around the world. If the CCP is willing to sacrifice the foreign dummies that flock to them, imagine what they have in store for the rest of us.

The world is about to get extremely ugly and we still have turncoats in government, hollyweird, and the mainstream media, who shill for the commies.

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Incidentally our government has said for foreigners to go home if they can’t contribute, ie; have skills that can be utilised.

 

[Gordus]

Something to lift the spirits.

We'll get through this.

 

[DA SWO]

If he cared so much about the crew, why go to a port visit in Vietnam when the coronavirus was ongoing? He put his crew in danger.

Was that his decision, or someone else's decision?

 

[BloodStripe]

Was that his decision, or someone else's decision?

I'd imagine if it were someone else's it would have been in his letter.

 

[Devildoc]

The more I'm reading about his dismissal the more it is appearing to be politically motivated.

One of the boat's senior enlisted advisors said, he was one of the best officers for whom he had ever worked.

Someone else sent out a Twitter that said #bestCO

Something doesn't smell right about the whole thing.