Covid-19

PA has revised its death toll...down by some 200 fatalities.

Pa. removes 200 deaths from state coronavirus count as questions mount about reporting process, accuracy

We're putting our faith in, and planning around, models with incomplete or incorrect data. I understand that this is unprecedented, but IMO we have even scientists making emotional decisions without all of the facts...and then we're told to trust the scientists. Maybe this is worse than we know, maybe it is much better than we know, but I don't see how anyone can trust the data.
 
ThunderHorse said:
I'm pretty sure that this Sheriff's department just exposed an entire community of people to a shit ton of things that aren't coronavirus.

Police break up Amish party, make arrest after 911 call for violating COVID-19 stay-at-home rules

How hard is it to leave people alone? Arizona hasn't mailed anything out in regards to Social distancing, so there is zero chance these people would know.
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You have way too much naivete when it comes to Amish and today's society. I sat in an air conditioned nice waiting area with computers and modern lighting, at a modern shop, to be loaded by diesel powered forklift... at an Amish wagon production facility in PA. There were internal combustion vehicles for everyone there (all of them Amish good old boys to the T) and zero stables there... the stables were across the street for the farmer.

Long story short, Amish basically do the hell they want according to how they feel. Sorta like any religious sect.
 
Ranger Psych said:
You have way too much naivete when it comes to Amish and today's society. I sat in an air conditioned nice waiting area with computers and modern lighting, at a modern shop, to be loaded by diesel powered forklift... at an Amish wagon production facility in PA. There were internal combustion vehicles for everyone there (all of them Amish good old boys to the T) and zero stables there... the stables were across the street for the farmer.

Long story short, Amish basically do the hell they want according to how they feel. Sorta like any religious sect.
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You coming through Cincinnati?
 
pardus said:
Agreed, though I'll cut the govt a little bit of slack as the bill went through rather quickly. That said, this a great opportunity for We The People to exercise their freedom, ethics and morals. Can you take it? Should you take it? I'm heartened to see some entities returning the money, but the cynic in me is already wondering what's going to happen to the returned money. I kind of feel like a flood of money has been released. What are we up to, like 3 Trillion now? People lost their shit when the banks got 1 Trillion. I don't have answers just musing.
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I don't know what color of money they are using for the loans/Grant's, but it will most likely just go back to the treasury and not be made available for other businesses to use.
 
Ranger Psych said:
You have way too much naivete when it comes to Amish and today's society. I sat in an air conditioned nice waiting area with computers and modern lighting, at a modern shop, to be loaded by diesel powered forklift... at an Amish wagon production facility in PA. There were internal combustion vehicles for everyone there (all of them Amish good old boys to the T) and zero stables there... the stables were across the street for the farmer.

Long story short, Amish basically do the hell they want according to how they feel. Sorta like any religious sect.
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I'm going to disagree with me being naive to how Amish live and work. I have experience with Amish just as you describe. And then I've also met the closed off commune types as they've gone into towns to get what they've needed. The Amish, like the Mennonites aren't homogenous.

I have a lot more experience with the Mennonites though as half my grandmother's family were Mennonites and the other Brethren. My uncle left for Kansas immediately upon graduating high school to join the Mennonite faith because he didn't seeing how their Brethren church was devolving (a lot of divorces at this point in the mid-70s). You have all kinds of Mennonites, there are even ones that watch TV. Then you have the self-contained communes of the Old Order types that you will find near Harrisonburg, VA. In fact there were two different sects of Old Order Mennonites in Harrisonburg, you had the kind that used Tractors (but they had to have steel wheels, no rubber tread) and the kind that used horse drawn plows.

Regular transportation for both sects was horse drawn wagon, buggy, or horseback.

My uncle and his family, they're of a section called Church of God & Christ Mennonites, and they're one of the more modern types. They have phones and the internet for business. But these people still buy all of their vehicles and equipment at Auction and not from the dealer, then they have the radios removed from them and clocks installed. (Bizarre, just don't listen, right?) They also don't educate their people past the 10th grade, 8th in some states. Yet they have their own hospitals, their doctors they bring in from the outside. My cousin is a register nurse and needed a waiver to be able to attend the junior college nursing program. It wasn't an easy process. I kept asking why the heck they wouldn't just let her achieve a BSN.

Needless to say, it is definitely more like that last line.

ETA: Different Subject, more anti-body studies going down.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1253795131024687106
 
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ThunderHorse said:
WHY THE FUCK CAN'T THESE IDIOTS JUST PUT THE BLAME WHERE IT BELONGS?

Pressured by China, E.U. Softens Report on Covid-19 Disinformation

Sorry for yelling. Also it's behind a paywall.

No paywall on reuters

China pressured EU to drop COVID disinformation criticism: sources
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Might have something to do with all the European ports the CCP owns. I get the sinking feeling that the the EU has whored itself out to China, so much so that they risk fracturing if China pulls the rug out from under them.

Part of me thinks certain figureheads in the EU are going to side with China just to keep their farce of a 'Union' intact. (Granted we're in the same boat as well...)
 
AWP said:
PA has revised its death toll...down by some 200 fatalities.

Pa. removes 200 deaths from state coronavirus count as questions mount about reporting process, accuracy

We're putting our faith in, and planning around, models with incomplete or incorrect data. I understand that this is unprecedented, but IMO we have even scientists making emotional decisions without all of the facts...and then we're told to trust the scientists. Maybe this is worse than we know, maybe it is much better than we know, but I don't see how anyone can trust the data.
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Couldn't agree more and I've said this from the beginning. It's resulted in a lot of problems.

Fear begets fear. Calm begets calm. They've continued to run worst case scenarios with flawed models. No one says anything about it. We just hear "he/she is an expert". So, no one challenges back. The media is culpable here as well because they clearly have no capacity or willingness to think critically about the topics on which they report. So, they stick with the sensational stories, which drives the fear and panic.
 
Blizzard said:
Couldn't agree more and I've said this from the beginning. It's resulted in a lot of problems.

Fear begets fear. Calm begets calm. They've continued to run worst case scenarios with flawed models. No one says anything about it. We just hear "he/she is an expert". So, no one challenges back. The media is culpable here as well because they clearly have no capacity or willingness to think critically about the topics on which they report. So, they stick with the sensational stories, which drives the fear and panic.
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Just anecdotal, but since a lot of the flyover states are now receiving their tests we've started to actually get a picture of our situation and because of that we had a town nearby be awarded the highest rate of CV19 in the entire country. Naturally I had a few of my employees freak out saying that they were gonna take a few months off because 'we're turning into New York'.

When in reality the only reason because of that slike is because we have now started fully testing in our area.

What I'm trying to say is that yes the media plays a huge role and so do expertsand how they act and carry themselves. But I'd argue it's just as much on Joe and Jane as well, people need to look at the big picture and take all sides of the argument instead of jumping at the headline or looking at whatever statistic fuels their bias.
 
SaintKP said:
What I'm trying to say is that yes the media plays a huge role and so do expertsand how they act and carry themselves. But I'd argue it's just as much on Joe and Jane as well, people need to look at the big picture and take all sides of the argument instead of jumping at the headline or looking at whatever statistic fuels their bias.
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Wait, are you saying people should take an active role in thinking about and processing information, making their own conclusions rather than some rando on the TV?

Son, this is America we're talking about. Go haze yourself.
 

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