Covid-19

[DA SWO]

It was the first non-China based death, yes?

ETA: I know that has been the talk here...die in China, surviving elsewhere.

1 death in the PI.

No I think one died in Singapore I want to say.

Re that massive jump in numbers. I'm reading that they (not sure if CN gov or WHO) changed the way they were reported or recorded so that accounts for the massive jump. I'll need to find the details again.

Correct. Multiple reports said they were under counting, so I'd say this is just an adjustment.

 

[SpitfireV]

You're right it was the Philippines.

 

[RackMaster]

Yes it's the Daily Mail but the lab is coming up again.

Did coronavirus originate in Chinese government laboratory?

 

[R.Caerbannog]

Testimony from Kentaro Iwata, an infection control specialist, who managed to board the Diamond Princess. Apparently there is no distinction between hot & green zones on board the ship. Based on Iwara's video, it seems the virus has been left to run amok due to poor management.

Iwata Kentaro

 

[Dame]

Yes it's the Daily Mail but the lab is coming up again.

Did coronavirus originate in Chinese government laboratory?

Just sayin'.
Harvard professor among three charged with lying about Chinese government ties

 

[SpitfireV]

Just sayin'.
Harvard professor among three charged with lying about Chinese government ties

What's the Coronavirus link here?

 

[Marauder06]

What's the Coronavirus link here?

Wuhan snd microbiology, by my read.

 

[Dame]

I posted this in response to @RackMaster's post. My point was to agree with him that it may all be nonsense, but...

• The good professor was given $50K/month plus living expenses by Wuhan University and was establishing an unauthorized research lab there.
• At the same time, a medical student from China was charged with trying to smuggle vials of research specimens in his suitcase bound for China. He was in the U.S. on a visa sponsored by Harvard, and apparently stole the materials from a lab at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center.
• The investigation includes the National Institute of Health, as a huge chunk of grant money from them was being used specifically for research to be sent to China.
• Along with his article on Wuhan's BioSafetyLevel 4 laboratory, the general feeling I get from this article and others is that this is a little too coincidental.

 

[krhm60]

This conservation is pointless, remember to wash your hands, sneeze in your boots, do the hokie pokie as you turn yourself around, Thats what it's all about!

 

[AWP]

If I thought this shit would spare my family but wipe out 20% of the world's population, I'd load it into planes and give the contrail wackos something to talk about (if they survive).

 

[R.Caerbannog]

If I thought this shit would spare my family but wipe out 20% of the world's population, I'd load it into planes and give the contrail wackos something to talk about (if they survive).

It does have a higher rate of infection than the flu (almost double I think) and an estimated 2% death rate for those who get ill from it. If anything, we are seeing a watershed moment in China and the grasp the CCP has over it.

With it looking like the CCP inadvertently released a killer virus and it's infected citizens on the world, Chinese leverage on the global stage is about to be tested. This biological screw-up is also going to force international supply systems to look outside of China for manufacturing needs.

Regardless, our population and economy is going to take a hit from this. Friggin China.

 

[DA SWO]

It does have a higher rate of infection than the flu (almost double I think) and an estimated 2% death rate for those who get ill from it. If anything, we are seeing a watershed moment in China and the grasp the CCP has over it.

With it looking like the CCP inadvertently released a killer virus and it's infected citizens on the world, Chinese leverage on the global stage is about to be tested. This biological screw-up is also going to force international supply systems to look outside of China for manufacturing needs.

Regardless, our population and economy is going to take a hit from this. Friggin China.

Good.
This will force the Walmartians to think.
Single source is stupid, especially with a JIT mentality. This will create opportunities elsewhere (hopefully Central America).

 

[LibraryLady]

Good.
This will force the Walmartians to think.
Single source is stupid, especially with a JIT mentality. This will create opportunities elsewhere (hopefully Central America).

Wrong. Walmartians don't think, they react.

JIT has been pushed HARD since the 60s-70s, it is so engrained into capitalism now, I highly doubt it will ever go away on the macro level, aka Walmart.

LL

 

[R.Caerbannog]

Good.
This will force the Walmartians to think.
Single source is stupid, especially with a JIT mentality. This will create opportunities elsewhere (hopefully Central America).

Yep, it is profoundly stupid and we're going to pay the price yet again. Considering the damage they've done, we need to shut China out of the global markets.

Wrong. Walmartians don't think, they react.

JIT has been pushed HARD since the 60s-70s, it is so engrained into capitalism now, I highly doubt it will ever go away on the macro level, aka Walmart.

LL

To be honest, I'm not sure how much the public is familiar with the 'Just in Time' production system. A lot of this information isn't really accessible or easily digestible to our populace. Even if the pitfalls of the JIT model were discussed openly our MSM would decry it as anti-Chinese and anti-business.

 

[SpitfireV]

I posted this in response to @RackMaster's post. My point was to agree with him that it may all be nonsense, but...

• The good professor was given $50K/month plus living expenses by Wuhan University and was establishing an unauthorized research lab there.
• At the same time, a medical student from China was charged with trying to smuggle vials of research specimens in his suitcase bound for China. He was in the U.S. on a visa sponsored by Harvard, and apparently stole the materials from a lab at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center.
• The investigation includes the National Institute of Health, as a huge chunk of grant money from them was being used specifically for research to be sent to China.
• Along with his article on Wuhan's BioSafetyLevel 4 laboratory, the general feeling I get from this article and others is that this is a little too coincidental.

I don't really agree. Those are all a tangent to the coronavirus, unless you're advocating a deliberate or accidental release (for whatever reason) which I also don't agree with.

 

[DA SWO]

I don't really agree. Those are all a tangent to the coronavirus, unless you're advocating a deliberate or accidental release (for whatever reason) which I also don't agree with.

The lab has been criticized for crappy procedures with warnings that an accidental release was probable, so I am willing to accept an accidental release.
China sure as shit did not want to release any info, and the normally are more open on the crap escaping from their country.

 

[SpitfireV]

The lab has been criticized for crappy procedures with warnings that an accidental release was probable, so I am willing to accept an accidental release.
China sure as shit did not want to release any info, and the normally are more open on the crap escaping from their country.

I should have been more clear, apologies. Accidental release I can see but not a deliberate one.

 

[LibraryLady]

...To be honest, I'm not sure how much the public is familiar with the 'Just in Time' production system. A lot of this information isn't really accessible or easily digestible to our populace. Even if the pitfalls of the JIT model were discussed openly our MSM would decry it as anti-Chinese and anti-business.

I didn't say public, I said on the macro level, Walmart. I agree John Q Public, aka Walmartians don't want to think hard enough to understand JIT.

I would also lump most of the MSM into the definition of John Q Public...

LL

 

[R.Caerbannog]

I didn't say public, I said on the macro level, Walmart. I agree John Q Public, aka Walmartians don't want to think hard enough to understand JIT.

I would also lump most of the MSM into the definition of John Q Public...

LL

I was of the mindset that if the public knew and understood how vulnerable JIT leaves them, they would demand a better system. If anything, changes can only be made when they impact consumers on a personal level.

On the macro scale, Walmart, those peeps just care about their profit margin. To them COVID-19 and the manufacturing shortage is a black swan event they have to weather. When everything normalizes these people are going back to business as usual.

 

[Dame]

I don't really agree. Those are all a tangent to the coronavirus, unless you're advocating a deliberate or accidental release (for whatever reason) which I also don't agree with.

Or if they are now trying to steal any research that could help them contain something they accidentally let loose. What I don't buy is the "it started in the market" nonsense.