Covid-19
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Topkick
Verified Military
I'm going to wear three masks out to dinner tonight...and on the way, in my car.
I'm going to wear three masks out to dinner tonight...and on the way, in my car.
Box
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Conspiracy theorists are now 1,000,000,001 to zero. The DoD changed the DMED data to hide this fact. I shouted about it from the high heavens and was told by people on this board that the studies were wrong. And now, all of those chickens have come to roost.
Not only were your conspiracy theory friends right about the dangers of the shot, we are finding out that the Biden admin knew about the dangers and actively covered it up. And just so we can all have some fun- don't forget that this shot came from Operation Warp Speed, and not one single person is clean on it.
I want arrests.
US officials delayed warning public about heart inflammation risk from COVID shot: report
Not only were your conspiracy theory friends right about the dangers of the shot, we are finding out that the Biden admin knew about the dangers and actively covered it up. And just so we can all have some fun- don't forget that this shot came from Operation Warp Speed, and not one single person is clean on it.
I want arrests.
US officials delayed warning public about heart inflammation risk from COVID shot: report
Jaknight
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reaking knew it. When the Jamba Juice shot was being pushed, I remember a lot of friends laughing or being confused about my reluctance. But I always said—you mean to tell me a disease that basically crippled the entire world suddenly has some miracle cure shot less than a year later? Pfft. I always believed either they rushed that shit, or they already had the vaccine and just wanted to see what their virus would do to the general population.
I am open to all theories on this one; I blame everyone equally. "Make no mistake, it's not revenge I am after. It's a reckoning."
ThunderHorse
Verified Military
Why do you think I took Johnson & Johnson? But considering I was never asked for my vaccine card I wish I didn't get it. My wife didn't get a booster of Johnson & Johnson. Also, btw as a reminder, the first booster for Moderna and Pfizer was just shot 1. Which was Johnson & Johnson. The only people that they checked vaccine cards on were of course our player employees...no one I know ever had their vaccine card submitted other than players.
I got none. Could be the move.
Devildoc
Verified Military
Having just a teeny, tiny inside glimpse into the process, I think they rushed the vax. The theory of having a base for a vax is strong, valid, and scientific. We've done that for decades. Then when something hits it's a matter of not starting from scratch, but starting from, say, 30% or something. I buy the theory of the mRNA vax, but not the practice, just like I buy the theory of time travel. Just because I 'think' it's valid doesn't make me want to stand in line to do it. But for so many companies, both traditional and mRNA, to get sooo many to market soooo fast? Yeah, my Spidey senses start to tingle. And you know what makes me a bit nauseated every time I think about it? Who know who gave the very first vaccine in North Carolina, and was pictured in the media? This guy right here. To think I was in any way complicit is not something I have learned to live with well.
But I will say this, and none of this has been or will be written or published, but even our ID folks were queasy about the rush roll-out, and that's why of all the mandatory vax, this was the only one with a 100% waiver rate: you asked, you got it, no questions asked.
Personally, and I have no data to support, I do not think the vax alone caused anything. I think the vax unlocked something in people to result in bad juju; a lock-and-key kind of thing. Again, that's just me watching it unfold.
I mentioned this possibility toa group of friends, some of whom are RNs. Some laughed at me, some stared uncomfortably at the floor, and a few used that as an opening to discuss 5G chips injected into our bodies.
I'm 100% with you on this possibility. Out of curiosity, are there similar cases in the past, even innocent or benign instances?
Devildoc
Verified Military
Yeah, there are a lot of my colleagues who fall everywhere on the spectrum from it was 100% necessary and worth it to the vaccine is hot garbage and government control, etc.
Cases of vaccines unlocking a disease that may be underlying? For sure, flu and Guillain-Barre tops the list. But there are several.
Edited to add, part of my thinking comes from seeing people who get the vaccine in which nothing bad happens, and some people get a single dose and end up with all sorts of bad stuff, or worse, dead. I do not believe it's random but I don't know the connection.
ThunderHorse
Verified Military
Teach me your ways.
Pretty simple really. Deployed, called a friend of mine that had access to system, made sure they could green me up and no one would know it was them, they pushed the button, I got the card.
Worked for flu shots too. Follow me for more helpful tips.
In the best possible case, "nothing bad happens." I say that because the vaccine was ineffective, so the absolute best thing that could have happened to any of us who got the vaccine is "nothing." I got the vax--the one that everyone from the President of the United States insisted was both safe and effective--and I got COVID anyway. I later had a heart incident that I ended up having to leave work and get driven to the on-post hospital over. Was it lifestyle related? Maybe. Genetics? Perhaps. One Monster too many that day after a hard workout in the gym that morning? Could be. Vax related? I guess we'll never know.
Devildoc
Verified Military
That's one assumption, right? Then there are people who got the vax with whom nothing bad happened, and they did not get covid. That's another assumption; it can work. I got covid twice; once was very mild ("it's just a cold, bruh") and the second time was pretty bad, I never got any vaccine. Did I get it because I did not get the vax? Who knows, that's another assumption.
You are right, we'll never know. I think we can look at trends and make all these assumptions and be partially right.
No, that's not right. What happened to me was not an assumption. We were forced to get the COVID vaccine. We were told it was safe and effective, and if we got it, we would not get COVID and could not transmit it to others. I got the vax like a good little soldier and I got COVID anyway. Numerous other people got the vax and had attributable side effects. That's not an assumption either, it happened.
We were absolutely forced to take a vaccine that many of us would not have done if we weren't compelled to do so. And it flat didn't work.
Devildoc
Verified Military
Maybe my language is not (entirely) correct, but my conclusions are. In the best possible case, "nothing bad happened." That was true, but not for you (and many people). Some people got the vaccine and never got covid. Some people did not get the vaccine and did not get covid. Why/how any of those were outcomes are all assumptions of facts.
People are trying to retrospectively use "if/then" arguments inductively and I don't know that it's going to work because there are too many other assumptions and variables.
Florida173
SOF Support
That basically negates any assumptions you could possibly make from it. Not getting COVID isn't anything other than your body wasn't exposed at a threshold that would take. Since no one in the industry now would ever make a claim that the vaccines would prevent you from getting it any more.
I was in the same boat as @Marauder06 , required on the military side, required on the contracting side, required to deploy on both sides. Same exact thing with my wife. And now I'm left wondering if the 3 years of IUI and 3 failed attempts at IVF so far are a result of this thing we were forced to take and I won't expect anything but gas lighting from the people that forced it on us.
Devildoc
Verified Military
There are two things that people are commonly posting, one being the vaccine and its response. The second is the law and the policies. I'm certainly not going to touch the second one, I was fortunate that I was able to get a waiver and I think making it mandatory was illegal, immoral, and unethical. I've made my position abundantly clear about how I feel about the vaccine.
Assuming that not getting the disease isn't anything other than body wasn't exposed to the threshold is also a relatively untestable assumption. Unless you're willing to go into a lab and have increasing loading doses or something like that, I don't know, I don't do lab science. Some people had the disease and were asymptomatic, with and without the vaccine.
I think it's abundantly clear that almost all the vaccines were a hot mess with an abundance of side effects, but I think trying to extrapolate much more than that retrospectively without the data, which we will likely never see, is just a fool's errand.
I don't know, maybe it'll turn out like Camp Lejeune's water or agent orange and we'll see the light the truth at some point.
