Does the NSA have a contractor problem?

NavyBuyer said:
Government employees cannot supervise contract employees, mostly. Under a personal services contract they can, but 99% of service contracts are non personal services contracts.
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Maybe.. What I've seen in the past 9 years or so was supervised by government employees. The topic is regarding contracts in the IC, and more specifically at NSA. You're telling me that IC contracts aren't supervised? I'm not even allowed in the SCIF without a govie.
 
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Florida173 said:
Maybe.. What I've seen in the past 9 years or so was supervised by government employees. The topic is regarding contracts in the IC, and more specifically at NSA. You're telling me that IC contracts aren't supervised? I'm not even allowed in the SCIF without a govie.
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Are GGs different than GSs?
 
Florida173 said:
Maybe.. What I've seen in the past 9 years or so was supervised by government employees. The topic is regarding contracts in the IC, and more specifically at NSA. You're telling me that IC contracts aren't supervised? I'm not even allowed in the SCIF without a govie.
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A GS cannot directly supervise you. Read up in FAR Part 37. “Nonpersonal services contract” means a contract under which the personnel rendering the services are not subject, either by the contract’s terms or by the manner of its administration, to the supervision and control usually prevailing in relationships between the Government and its employees. Just because a contractor isn't allowed in a SCIF without a GS or Uniformed Service member doesn't mean they are directly supervising you.
 
NavyBuyer said:
A GS cannot directly supervise you. Read up in FAR Part 37. “Nonpersonal services contract” means a contract under which the personnel rendering the services are not subject, either by the contract’s terms or by the manner of its administration, to the supervision and control usually prevailing in relationships between the Government and its employees. Just because a contractor isn't allowed in a SCIF without a GS or Uniformed Service member doesn't mean they are directly supervising you.
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Sure. The fact they are in charge of the teams that I'm on means they have my future in their hands. A GS14 being in charge of my team and GS15 being in charge of my branch are the only government employees responsible for the success of the team. If I don't make them happy, they say something and I'm gone.

We might be disagreeing on semantics that are oblivious to me, and I haven't cared for the pmo side. Now that I'm in the NCR, things haven't changed much.

Maybe you are thinking of the COR? They seem to have some responsibility, but typically oblivious to anything we do and mainly used for accesses.
 
Teufel said:
GGs are intel
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Seeing now that it's excepted service. Make sense in regards to when we were seeing the furlough stuff happening. Didn't really effect us when I was in Tampa, but that was mainly because of the role contractors doing the actual work.
 
Florida173 said:
Sure. The fact they are in charge of the teams that I'm on means they have my future in their hands. A GS14 being in charge of my team and GS15 being in charge of my branch are the only government employees responsible for the success of the team. If I don't make them happy, they say something and I'm gone.

We might be disagreeing on semantics that are oblivious to me, and I haven't cared for the pmo side. Now that I'm in the NCR, things haven't changed much.

Maybe you are thinking of the COR? They seem to have some responsibility, but typically oblivious to anything we do and mainly used for accesses.
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No GS employee or military member can fire you, to include the COR. A COR is there to oversee the contract as a technical representative for the contracting officer. While they may be in charge of your team per se, they are not your supervisor. A Government employee or military member can and should get in trouble for turning a nonpersonal services contract into one. It is very difficult from the contracting officer's perspective to get a non personal services contract approved. My reference for all this is I am a Contract Specialist for the Navy who has written a personal services contract for a healthcare professional and non personal service contracts from as little as one contract employee up to 200 contract employees. I have also given COR training to roughly 25 CORS. If you feel as if you are being supervised by a GS, talk to your companies contract admin person so they can call the COR.
 

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