Gaming thread

[R.Caerbannog]

Gaming isn't shifting towards cloud computing, the only "cloud" is persistent data so that when your Xbox98 RROD's or your PSwhateverthefuck shits the bed, your iWaifu v.22 FapKing Mod gamesave is right there waiting for you. Physical copies of games get damaged, stolen, or lost, whereas I can log onto Steam from any compatible computer system basically anywhere on the planet I can get internet at and be able to get the entire collection of games that I own to play downloaded onto that system, without having to worry about United beating my ass and throwing my carry-on bag-o-gamez out the emergency exit door.



Drawbacks?

Consoles aren't even honestly qualified to rate as shitty gaming PC's, they're physically and technologically an outdated system by design the day they're unveiled when compared to off-the-shelf components available for putting a basic computer together, and they ruin the overarching gaming experience in general by forcing reduced graphics and oversimplification of game interaction due to literally being a fixed snapshot of hardware and software for developers to do design upon for the next decade. Press X to agree.

Dropping 3k on a system is Luda mode. Flat out. There's no need to spend that on a computer. My entire battlestation including monitors doesn't come close to that number even with incremental upgrades... which is something you're not understanding.

You have any experience with cars or hot rods? Because that's what you're buying into with a PC. Something that comes off the showroom floor doing good things, but as time progresses you can change out the carb for EFI, change the rear diff ratio if you prefer drag to SCCA racing, change the tires and rims, reupholster the seats and throw in a new stereo... All any time you like, if new stuff comes out that does what you do now, or what you want to do, better than what you have.

With PC gaming as new architecture and hardware capabilities come out, the software capabilities increase as well, unlike with consoles. Consoles, as previously mentioned, are a fixed snapshot of hardware development. There are ZERO architectural differences in terms of memory or processing power for graphics or data between a PS4 you bought in 2013 and a PS4 bought today in 2018.

You're literally espousing buying a 2013 Ford Fusion, new-old-stock (because that's literally what it is), in 2018.

That first paragraph was too funny! The beauty of consoles being a technological snapshot of hardware development is that they standardize the whole gaming experience. Don't get me wrong, smooth graphics and beautifully rendered landscapes rock. It's just sometimes I feel that games and developers use fancy effects to mask poorly thought story elements and glaring plot holes. Tech can make a good story experience better, but it can't make a bad story immersive.

I get the hot rodding reference, but a 300 dollar PC isn't gonna play KH3 for me. I'm more a fan of the AR/AK comparison. Consoles are AK's and PC's are AR's, both go pew pew pew. Some people like to customize and build their AR's to their specs, while some people just like take the AK out and plink with cheap surplus ammo.

 

[Gordus]

My personal experience as funder:

Terrible - Eternal Crusade <- Initialy great set of goals and big promises, dev assurances, that are changed over time or ditched entirely. Very niche audience. Consequently very few or just a tiny fraction of goals and promises realised despite reasonable funding. Lot of communication, regular twitch and Q&A later reduced to rare or none at all. Frustrated community. The dissapointment is especialy great when you're a fan of the franchise.

Worth it / Good - War of Rights, Holdfast: Nations at War <- Simple, exact premise. Games you know with full certainty what you're in for. You get what you subscribe for, no more no less. Will always be rewarded with more eventualy. Needed very little communication.

Great - Kingdom Come: Deliverence < - Devs know exactly what product they are going to deliver from start to finish. Clearly set and reasonable goals and funding. No promises, just execution. Transparant gradual development. No skipping. Literaly no communicaiton required outside of bug reports.

 

[Florida173]

The other side is that if you are overly reliant on buying a computer from a company, I can understand why there is an idea that you have to buy something new every few years. The thing is that the shit is pretty much plug and play these days, and a good investment on the front can help with future proofing for quite a bit. Get the right motherboard and at worse, you will just need to pick up a new graphics card every so often. You do not need a CS degree to replace parts in a computer... just watch a few youtube videos.

 

[R.Caerbannog]

The other side is that if you are overly reliant on buying a computer from a company, I can understand why there is an idea that you have to buy something new every few years. The thing is that the shit is pretty much plug and play these days, and a good investment on the front can help with future proofing for quite a bit. Get the right motherboard and at worse, you will just need to pick up a new graphics card every so often. You do not need a CS degree to replace parts in a computer... just watch a few youtube videos.

What about the software to run the PC? Last time I checked, granted this was a few years ago, adding windows to a gaming rig was about 100-200 bucks.

 

[Florida173]

What about the software to run the PC? Last time I checked, granted this was a few years ago, adding windows to a gaming rig was about 100-200 bucks.

You factor that into your cost and you pay once. I didn't buy Windows 10, I upgraded from Windows 8 for free. That might not always be the case, but I don't see another Windows coming around for a long time.

Otherwise.. They let you download and install it for free for a time.

 

[R.Caerbannog]

You factor that into your cost and you pay once. I didn't buy Windows 10, I upgraded from Windows 8 for free. That might not always be the case, but I don't see another Windows coming around for a long time.

Otherwise.. They let you download and install it for free for a time.

What about screens and peripherals, like controllers and all the extra stuff? Doesn't that boost up the price?

 

[Ranger Psych]

What about screens and peripherals, like controllers and all the extra stuff? Doesn't that boost up the price?

Those are one time purchases unless you decide latest greatest is your thing. I have been running the same monitors for.... I want to say almost 5 years now? Before that, for around a decade? Keyboards and mice wear out just like controllers, and different ones have different feature sets so you can tailor your ergonomics and experience to how you'd like it. You really don't have that with consoles. VR is way ahead of the game (since you brought that up) on PC anyway. Hell, I can hook my phone up to this gaming laptop I have and do VR. Don't even need but a $30 headset to put the phone in and the right (free) software on the computer.

And that's the other thing. There's so much FREE on PC that it's silly. Nevermind if you buy a game on Steam.... and it sucks hepC asshole leakage through a slurpee spoonstraw... you can get a refund. You're going to know within 2-3 hours if the game is worth a shit (especially if you do the early access thing like I do) and be able to make a determination that yes, this is cool or no, gimme mah money back this is trashbad.

Try returning a game that sucks/crashes on a console to Gamestop. Lemme know how that goes.

 

[AWP]

Game developers love consoles because you have one hardware standard to code for instead of all the permutations available with a PC build. With that said, between Steam and Humble Bundle you can have great games for cheap if you're willing to play something a year or two old.

For you Diablo/ ARPG fans out there: a sequel to Torchlight is in development, Grim Dawn is insane with more DLC dropping in the next month or so, the PoE, Wolcen (looks good, but I'm still holding out), and Warhammer: Chaosbane will drop sometime this year.

 

[Florida173]

Game developers love consoles because you have one hardware standard to code for instead of all the permutations available with a PC build. With that said, between Steam and Humble Bundle you can have great games for cheap if you're willing to play something a year or two old.

For you Diablo/ ARPG fans out there: a sequel to Torchlight is in development, Grim Dawn is insane with more DLC dropping in the next month or so, the PoE, Wolcen (looks good, but I'm still holding out), and Warhammer: Chaosbane will drop sometime this year.

I heard the new torchlight game is an MMO

 

[Ooh-Rah]

Good article that explains pretty well how I am playing the game the second time around.

I never want to finish Red Dead Redemption 2

 

[medicchick]

What about screens and peripherals, like controllers and all the extra stuff? Doesn't that boost up the price?

What about TVs and controllers/headsets? Doesn't that boost the price of a console?

 

[SaintKP]

Granted its been a while since I've been on a gaming computer (think back to when the GTX 580 was the card to have). But is there really a debate going on over which platform is better and more flexible?

I'm currently part of the plebians as well but come on. My disappointment is immeasurable right now.

 

[nobodythank you]

Steam getting hacked all the time, 3rd party PITA authentication/password recovery, and everything else from program management to hardware setup isn't my cup of tea.

To be fair, Steam is rarely hacked and has some of the best account protection in the gaming world. Steam requires authentication beyond a password via email or their own 2FA via their phone app. It can be a hassle, but your account (if setup correctly) is for the most part secure. Just an FYI

 

[Kaldak]

To be fair, Steam is rarely hacked and has some of the best account protection in the gaming world. Steam requires authentication beyond a password via email or their own 2FA via their phone app. It can be a hassle, but your account (if setup correctly) is for the most part secure. Just an FYI

I laugh when I hear this. I play a lot of Blizzard games, and the authenticator they have is great.

Too bad my bank and credit cards can't be as secure as my WoW account...

 

[SaintKP]

I laugh when I hear this. I play a lot of Blizzard games, and the authenticator they have is great.

Too bad my bank and credit cards can't be as secure as my WoW account...

This to be honest.


Oh, you had a D3 account with 1k+ hours on it with multiple optimized legendaries as well as multiple mule characters stacked with more legendaries? And you haven't logged into it in forever and can't remember your information?


Sucks to suck.

 

[AWP]

I heard the new torchlight game is an MMO

They can eat a dick if that's the case.

 

[Kaldak]

They can eat a dick if that's the case.

Only one? Not a bag full?

 

[R.Caerbannog]

Those are one time purchases unless you decide latest greatest is your thing. I have been running the same monitors for.... I want to say almost 5 years now? Before that, for around a decade? Keyboards and mice wear out just like controllers, and different ones have different feature sets so you can tailor your ergonomics and experience to how you'd like it. You really don't have that with consoles. VR is way ahead of the game (since you brought that up) on PC anyway. Hell, I can hook my phone up to this gaming laptop I have and do VR. Don't even need but a $30 headset to put the phone in and the right (free) software on the computer.

And that's the other thing. There's so much FREE on PC that it's silly. Nevermind if you buy a game on Steam.... and it sucks hepC asshole leakage through a slurpee spoonstraw... you can get a refund. You're going to know within 2-3 hours if the game is worth a shit (especially if you do the early access thing like I do) and be able to make a determination that yes, this is cool or no, gimme mah money back this is trashbad.

Try returning a game that sucks/crashes on a console to Gamestop. Lemme know how that goes.

When I buy a console it comes with a dedicated controller, software, and all the cords to hook up to the living room tube. Doing something similar on a PC is going to require a larger investment in time, money, and in sourcing peripherals. While it's true you can buy tailored controllers to suit your gaming needs on PC, consoles have their own aftermarket controller/peripheral manufacturers as well.

As for VR, I'm going to wait on the tech to mature a bit more. I'm not talking about VR maturing on consoles either, but for VR headsets to become smaller and more powerful. Right now, VR tech is still akin to putting ones head in a box (fancy as it may be). VR is cool, but it still has a way to go before I buy into it.

Regarding games, I'm not a fan of paying to 'play test' a development teams work. While I know crowdsourcing has become big in the gaming industry, I think it's also a system that's ripe for fraud and abuse. In my mind, crowdfunded titles like 'Star Citizen' and 'No Mans Sky' are perfect examples of why I don't give developers money without first getting a finished product.

When it comes to buying games I get them on sale and after they've been out for a while. To be perfectly honest, I just started playing on the PS4 console early last year. Thanks to being late in the game, I've got a big selection of cheap, critically, and user acclaimed games that have been out for a while.

Don't get me wrong, PC gaming has it's definite upsides but it's not the 'end all, be all' when it comes to playing games. Again, some people like AK's and some like AR's.

 

[EqualReaction]

Anyone excited for Classic World of Warcraft that is supposed to be coming out in the summer? I was only like 9 when I played Classic WoW but that was the bomb.

 

[Florida173]

Anyone excited for Classic World of Warcraft that is supposed to be coming out in the summer? I was only like 9 when I played Classic WoW but that was the bomb.

No.. Already devoted too much of my life from that and ebay other MMO since Ultima online