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Although @compforce did an excellent breakdown, I will add one thing, I provided multiple credible sources. Individually I would agree that some are a bit wonky, but I did provide multiple ones to at least break the claim made about the game. Just because you didn't like the sources, doesn't mean they aren't academically valid.

ETA: Critic scores are derived from more than just user feelings. While they are a contributing factor, critic scores typically take into account sales, impact, bugs, and more. So while not infallible, it is a good metric on how well a game performs. It just isn't the only metric.

To sum up, I will grant you that it is subjectively one of the best (in your humble opinion). Objectively? On no account.
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The nerd thread has almost gone full nerd, we just need a gamergate discussion.

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All I asked was how it was objectively better How are you measuring that?

....lenght


Sure. It's not just about the lenght of something but the content and it's quality. But I thought that was obvious.
A lot of games have big areas and terrain to explore. But what's the point in roaming the pixelated maps of Thunder Brigade for hours in your hover tank ? ^^
If I didn't make it clear in my earlier post, I meant the level of sophistication, impact and quality when I listed points like game design, mechanics, content, story writing, I'll also add character progression which is very important, freedom, choices and decisions you are offered as player, that influence the game and it's outcome, and also influence future game development. Aka in short the quality it offers as not just open world RPG but as a game in general.


Going by those measurements and impact, yes absolutly.

You mentioned historical/game dev impcat.
Witcher 3 set a higher standard just in terms of story telling and quests especialy when it comes to open world games, and that's not just my subjective view or opinon.

For example, back in 2017 or earlier, EA openly stated that they would make their newest Mass Effect title ( Andromeda ) similar to Witcher 3 in regards to quests and sidequests, because they had learned from the mistakes of other games where quests were not as meaningful. So W3 factualy inspired the developers of another great franchise, which is Mass Effect, to improve upon. Androma obv didn't exactly turn out to be the greatest title in the franchise, but that impact is a fact.
Mass Effect: Andromeda will have 'meaningful' sidequests akin to The Witcher, says game producer
Mass Effect Andromeda Will Have Witcher-Like Meaningful Side Quests

People also argue that AC:O was heavily inspired by Witcher 3, and I totaly agree with that assessment judging by some eary similarites. This is a more positive example.
'Assassin's Creed Origins' Learned Important Lessons From 'The Witcher 3' And 'Dark Souls'
But I won't go as far as others who claim it's a "rip off", because it also borrowed elements from ME.

btw, you misspelled "analyze"

Yeah, I know that I have to improve on my English. How is your Georgian btw ? : P

you probably wouldn't have

Sure it's not the same level of impact as the first ever game in history had on all other games that ever followed, but if we measured everything by just that ( like in some of the articles quoted ), than you are probably right in that those games had the greatest impact of all. But we are not talking just about historical impact and wheter the first ever steam powered vehicle was more important than the latest achievements in vehicular technology.

But we are in fact looking at a product that directly impacted the development of other, and competing products, in the same time period.

So in this case, we can add historical/game dev impact to the list as well, which is not a small feat. Those are at least two big franchises it impacted.

Sim City and the Sims was a completely groundbreaking franchise

No doubt.

The Witcher 3 is also regarded groundbreaking and inspired other games.

.....who think it means something.

It was one of the most anticipated games because of it's successful prequel, and I mentioned earlier Witcher 2 subjectively did some things better even.

Exactly what greater value do the scores of a couple or more dozen critics have compared to tens of thousands of "non-critic" consumers ? every individual human is a critic of the product they buy, consume and rate. "Critics" are just as opinionated as everyone else.

Are the masses of consumers who gave Witcher 3 a higher rating than anything listed on the first page of such IGN "Metascore" that "critics" rated with +90, to be treated like they didn't know what they were doing, and are just heavily biased towards Witcher ? that's not objective.

But what is a fact, is that the user score on those sites, lists, and distribution platforms rank the game one of the highest, and that is objectively true.

Wheter the first ever pixels on a screen, influenced game development aeons ago is not a measurement for the quality of more sophisticated games.

Besides I just provided an example of how Witcher 3 directly influenced the development of at least one other great sophisticated franchise in the same time period. I didn't even consider that something to measure modern games because every single product was inspired or influenced by something else ( first of all, if given, by their source - which in this case is literature ), and has to stand on it's own and compete with others. But since you brought it up, there you go.

I know a TON of games that were better in every way than the GOTY for their release year. I also know studios that deliberately time their releases to have weaker competition for GOTY for the boost it gives sales.

Oh sure, no doubt. Me too. But Witcher 3 def deserves the praise and it's not just GOTY, and on top of that it was highly regarded despite it's sloppy release, and long before the DLCs came out and the devs smoothed everything out.

It's entirely possible that if Fallout had listed as an FPS that it would have won, but Bethesda chose to categorize it as RPG and put it head to head with Witcher.

Maybe. But that's mere speculation, and well, it is an RPG so : P
 


Sure. It's not just about the lenght of something but the content and it's quality. But I thought that was obvious.
A lot of games have big areas and terrain to explore. But what's the point in roaming the pixelated maps of Thunder Brigade for hours in your hover tank ? ^^
If I didn't make it clear in my earlier post, I meant the level of sophistication, impact and quality when I listed points like game design, mechanics, content, story writing, I'll also add character progression which is very important, freedom, choices and decisions you are offered as player, that influence the game and it's outcome, and also influence future game development. Aka in short the quality it offers as not just open world RPG but as a game in general.


Going by those measurements and impact, yes absolutly.
You really wanna die on this hill huh? Ok.....No
Your take on W3 is so biased that you're making the counter argument for me. I'm going to use your own argument and context here. Ill make the point as a whole throughout my rebuttle below.
*side note, how do you know the pixelated maps of TB don't have some easter egg, upgrade, or whatchamadoodle unless you check?

You mentioned historical/game dev impcat.
Witcher 3 set a higher standard just in terms of story telling and quests especialy when it comes to open world games, and that's not just my subjective view or opinon.

For example, back in 2017 or earlier, EA openly stated that they would make their newest Mass Effect title ( Andromeda ) similar to Witcher 3 in regards to quests and sidequests, because they had learned from the mistakes of other games where quests were not as meaningful. So W3 factualy inspired the developers of another great franchise, which is Mass Effect, to improve upon. Androma obv didn't exactly turn out to be the greatest title in the franchise, but that impact is a fact.
Mass Effect: Andromeda will have 'meaningful' sidequests akin to The Witcher, says game producer
Mass Effect Andromeda Will Have Witcher-Like Meaningful Side Quests

People also argue that AC:O was heavily inspired by Witcher 3, and I totaly agree with that assessment judging by some eary similarites. This is a more positive example.
'Assassin's Creed Origins' Learned Important Lessons From 'The Witcher 3' And 'Dark Souls'
But I won't go as far as others who claim it's a "rip off", because it also borrowed elements from ME.
Also No. Again, using your own argument:
IGN - Mass Effect Andromeda: Revisiting BioWare's Worst Game After a Year
Forbes - mass-effect-andromeda-is-the-worst-reviewed-game-in-the-franchise
Mashable - Mass Effect: Andromeda' reviews are in: Bad game is bad
If your argument is that W3 is so good they made MEA modeled after it to make the ME series better then you just sank your own battleship. If we use this metric only. But we cannot can we? Just like we cannot only take user scores into account (more below). MEA was HORRIBLE. It is widely regarded (even by die hard ME fans and acolytes) as absolute crap. That doesn't mean W3 was horrible, but if we go by your standards then W3 is trash. However, that would not be fair or accurate, would it?


Sure it's not the same level of impact as the first ever game in history had on all other games that ever followed, but if we measured everything by just that ( like in some of the articles quoted ), than you are probably right in that those games had the greatest impact of all. But we are not talking just about historical impact and wheter the first ever steam powered vehicle was more important than the latest achievements in vehicular technology.

But we are in fact looking at a product that directly impacted the development of other, and competing products, in the same time period.

So in this case, we can add historical/game dev impact to the list as well, which is not a small feat. Those are at least two big franchises it impacted.
But the impact of those first games is what paved the way for, and inspired the games that come later. While to some, Starcraft is one of the best RTSs ever made; Command and Conquer is one of the best. Not because it came before Starcraft, but because it revolutionized AI usage in an RTS. An example of this would be how the AI was coded to work and respond to player input. It was something that had never been achieved in an RTS genre ever. If we are looking at how W3 impacted competing products (using your own standards again), then look at my previous section. MEA was a disaster. Using your argument of course.


It was one of the most anticipated games because of it's successful prequel, and I mentioned earlier Witcher 2 subjectively did some things better even.

Exactly what greater value do the scores of a couple or more dozen critics have compared to tens of thousands of "non-critic" consumers ? every individual human is a critic of the product they buy, consume and rate. "Critics" are just as opinionated as everyone else.

Are the masses of consumers who gave Witcher 3 a higher rating than anything listed on the first page of such IGN "Metascore" that "critics" rated with +90, to be treated like they didn't know what they were doing, and are just heavily biased towards Witcher ? that's not objective.

But what is a fact, is that the user score on those sites, lists, and distribution platforms rank the game one of the highest, and that is objectively true.

Wheter the first ever pixels on a screen, influenced game development aeons ago is not a measurement for the quality of more sophisticated games.

Besides I just provided an example of how Witcher 3 directly influenced the development of at least one other great sophisticated franchise in the same time period. I didn't even consider that something to measure modern games because every single product was inspired or influenced by something else ( first of all, if given, by their source - which in this case is literature ), and has to stand on it's own and compete with others. But since you brought it up, there you go.
No, what is objectively true is that most users who played W3 enjoyed the game. At one time a majority of the world believed the Earth was flat. Didn't mean they were right. At one time it was widely believed that it was ok to smack the old lady around. I think it is safe to say that this we both agree that isn't ok lol. I realize this is a bit of a strawman argument, but consider this specific point in order to see what I am getting at. It is the most popular on that list right now, until it isn't. Something will dethrone it. Individual likes are fickle and subject to being, well... subjective.

Just like the critic score isn't a sole factor, neither is the user score. I get it, you like the game. Alot. However, W3 isn't the groundbreaking masterpiece that you are trying to claim it is. Groundbreaking would be HALO CE, Doom, C&C, Legend of Zelda, (even Super Mario Brothers) and more. Why? because they were wildly popular, were the first in their fields to do certain things, wildly successful financially, and paved the way for other games of their respective genres to grow and expand. At best, W3 only meets 2 of the 4 criteria I used to make my argument. It is wildly popular and financially successful. It did not, however, pave the way for its genre to grow (it just gave users a more to do), and it was not the first to do so.


Maybe. But that's mere speculation, and well, it is an RPG so : P
Actually it isn't mere speculation. He made a logical argument against that based on it only winning two out of seven nominated categories, AND the fact that historically, FPSs have done better. It is a logical deduction based on facts. Speculation is your entire argument bruh lol.
 
You really wanna die on this hill huh?...bias

I am really not stating anything controversial or shocking, and if I were biased I'd say W3 is the best game ever or something in that line. I consider a number of games superior to Witcher 3.

*side note, how do you know the pixelated maps of TB don't have some easter egg, upgrade, or whatchamadoodle unless you check?

I spent hours to roam the maps just to still that curiosity lol

Also No. Again, using your own argument:
IGN - Mass Effect Andromeda: Revisiting BioWare's Worst Game After a Year
Forbes - mass-effect-andromeda-is-the-worst-reviewed-game-in-the-franchise
Mashable - Mass Effect: Andromeda' reviews are in: Bad game is bad
If your argument is that W3 is so good they made MEA modeled after it to make the ME series better then you just sank your own battleship.

Read it again.

My point, and I made this very clear, is that the Witcher 3 had a direct impact on the vision of other game developers because of it's quest design / story telling, since you brought it up as a metric. That's just a fact, not my opinion. MEA devs tried to immitate what was good about Witcher 3, but failed in making a proper game, which has absolutly ZERO to do with Witcher 3.

There is an entire article about why MEA flopped.
The Story Behind Mass Effect: Andromeda's Troubled Five-Year Development

tl;dr: the devs say "Mass Effect: Andromeda was just trying to do too much with too few resources." and it blew in their faces spectacularily.

MEA's flop is not a measure for the quality of M3, but I used that as an example of other game developers taking inspiration from W3 for their own product, as a direct impact W3 had on game development, since that metric was brought into the discussion.

There are a more successful examples, like AC:O and potentialy a number of other games.

So to claim Witcher 3 didn't have an impact for it's genre to grow, is just factualy wrong.

That doesn't mean W3 was horrible, but if we go by your standards then W3 is trash. However, that would not be fair or accurate, would it?

The fact Witcher 3 inspired other highly regarded franchises, one of which' latest installment turned out to be trash for completly unrelated reasons, would make Witcher "trash" / a low standard product ?

That is not just "not fair". It's objectively wrong.

I am not using just one particular metric. I listed several points which factualy make Witcher 3 such a success in the first place and inspire other games.

But the impact of those first games is what paved the way for, and inspired the games that come later.

Again, not arguing the import and impact of older games. Just saying it's not the one and most important metric to judge modern games. Every game has to stand on it's own, in a competitive environment.

....what is objectively true is that most users who played W3 enjoyed the game.

Users and "critics". Yes.

I realize this is a bit of a strawman argument

.... a bit ? ^^

Just like the critic score isn't a sole factor, neither is the user score. I get it, you like the game. Alot. However, W3 isn't the groundbreaking masterpiece that you are trying to claim it is.

If that is your opinion, it is fine. Others do consider it a masterpiece, and groundbreaking. You read such labels in many articles about Witcher 3. Yet others don't because they have their own personal studio GOTY favourites.

Personaly I do not consider it as groundbreaking as many other games just out of technicality and principle of impact, but content and quality wise among the best currently out there. Objectively it does many things better than many other mainstream RPGs and the fact some of the big ones try to immitate many great aspects of it, speaks for itself.

At best, W3 only meets 2 of the 4 criteria I used to make my argument. It is wildly popular and financially successful. It did not, however, pave the way for its genre to grow (it just gave users a more to do), and it was not the first to do so.

But it does though ? case in point. Other devs try to immitate what it did right and even use that as marketing strategy. Ofc it wasn't the first and won't be the last. That's obvious.

Speculation is your entire argument bruh lol.

Edit: Yeah ... you know what nvm.

I'm wrong, you're right. Whatever lol

Before this escalates, I'm out.
 
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I pirated a copy of the Witcher 3 and gave it a good ~10 hour try.. Got really bored and uninstalled. I wanted to like it.. But nope.
 
Goddamn...this thread suddenly has me on suicide watch.

I have information that will lead to the arrest and conviction of....

Geralt of Rivia.
 
I pirated a copy of the Witcher 3 and gave it a good ~10 hour try.. Got really bored and uninstalled. I wanted to like it.. But nope.

Fair enough. I don't expect everyone to like it.

What I do recommend, for ppl who are interested and into RPGs, is to try them all and start with the first game. Yeah they are old, and yeah you don't necessarily need to play W1 & W2 at all to get into W3 and understand the lore, but I personally recommend it. You get character introductions in the first one. W2 does some things better imo. But keep in mind, they both (W1-W2 & W3 ) are different experiences, not a vast open world setting like in W3. So if that's your main preference you may not like the previous ones especialy after playing W3. But hey, who knows. Personaly I think the ending of W3 has more impact that way.

If you are a purist, I'd say try the books before even touching the games.
 
Goddamn...this thread suddenly has me on suicide watch.

I have information that will lead to the arrest and conviction of....

Geralt of Rivia.

Ok. I'm not THAT committed to defend a character and it's franchise. I think the odds would also not be in favour of anyone who was :ROFLMAO:

If I left such a poor impression, than I apologize to everyone involved lol
 
Can't argue with that. Guilty of still owning Magic decks lol

But what about Yu-Gi-Oh ? ^^
Yu-Gi-Oh is kinda like Nickelback... it was cool in middle school, afterwards not so much.

What's crazy is some people have bought literal houses thanks to them buying Magic Card sets in their childhood and selling the unopened box sets 35 years later. O_o
 
Yu-Gi-Oh is kinda like Nickelback... it was cool in middle school, afterwards not so much.

What's crazy is some people have bought literal houses thanks to them buying Magic Card sets in their childhood and selling the unopened box sets 35 years later. O_o

Yeah man, it's crazy ! I remember when we visited our friends during childhood. Their son was already in the late 20s working abroad, and the mom proudly showed me his rare Magic Card collection, all carefuly placed in a big custom binder with sleeves. You could look but never touch lol
 
Hideo Kojima is a mad genius. Death Stranding... omgwtfbbq!
Hour long Kojima gameplay walkthrough/explanation

Short 10 min IGN summation
Never thought anyone would make a game about rucking and traversing terrain with a heavy pack and gear loadout.
 
COD Modern Warfare release tomorrow!!

Some campaign gameplay is out right now....first part has MARSOC doing a infil, glad not SEALs :-) . Looking forward to the game.

Here is a part 1 campaign walk through if you want to spoil the experience...your choice.

 
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