amorris127289
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I cannot remember where I saw it, it might of been on this forum but did you guys see the group that hunts hogs out of helicopters?
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Potato/po-taht-o, but that video would be better described as "hog shooting or slaughtering",not hunting. I've hunted my whole life, and that video is not what I would consider hunting. Lest I offend anyone, I will resist expressing my opinion about 'hunting' deer with dogs.
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I agree, I was curious of how you all felt about it, the only time we allow our hunters to use dogs on our land is for birds. Like Paradus said, I like the act of stalking and tracking.
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Do you have a view on electronic calls? My uncle taught me to use a stone and deer antler to call turkey and I have been calling that way. The other day a hunter showed us a app on his phone he used and it works...
I feel like it's cheating.
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Regarding calls, I think using electronic ones are silly, but certainly not unethical. I've practiced for a long time (w/no device) and do a pretty decent doe call.
Regarding dogs/helicopters/jeeps/etc - the animal still has a fright/flight instinct, and it seems morally wrong to scare the shit out of these beings before you tree them, shoot them, etc. I know plenty of folks south of me (I live in MN so I guess everyone is south of me) who do this, and I feel no ill-will towards the traditions they were raised in, it is just something I would choose not to participate in.
Regarding dogs/helicopters/jeeps/etc - the animal still has a fright/flight instinct, and it seems morally wrong to scare the shit out of these beings before you tree them, shoot them, etc. I know plenty of folks south of me (I live in MN so I guess everyone is south of me) who do this, and I feel no ill-will towards the traditions they were raised in, it is just something I would choose not to participate in.
Hence hunting from helicopters.
Hogs are over running TX.
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We had a bunch of hogs move into our land(south Alabama) from the north but we have been able to kill them off before they became a super problem for us. We have three hunters that that is all they hunt for the most part. I was not sure if those hunters in the video had raised the hogs for this reason or if it was pest control. There was a kid in one of my classes that said they raised the hogs, in a large fenced in area, and they would kill the hogs when they would come around the feeder and they called that hunting.
To those who have done it, is it hard to shoot from a helicopter like they were?
To those who have done it, is it hard to shoot from a helicopter like they were?
I grew up hunting, mostly with dogs. If you're a kid and raised in that environment then you won't view it as "wrong." That may or may not come later when you're an adult. I no longer hunt for various reasons but "techniques" I saw 30 years ago which have become mainstream now are things like salt licks and feeding stations. I do not understand how baiting an animal constitutes "hunting." Conditioning an animal to expect food at a certain place and then dropping "Surprise!" on them doesn't constitue hunting. Calls? If you need some electronic box to do them then maybe you should take up NASCAR or something. Otherwise just go down to a cow pasture and "hunt" there. Salt licks, feeding troughs, and perfectly generated sounds are hunting? Well, I guess that's one way to do it...
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Could not agree with you more. The MN-DNR does a lot I don't like, and they have more seizure power then the cops, but they have cracked down in a major way on feed stations, corn dumping, and illegal electronics (including night-vision goggles) - hell I know I guy here who got ticketed for telling his wife on a Walkie-Talkie that a large buck was walking down her trail - For the most part I have given up my tree stand and instead "still hunt." Opening morning being the exception as I LOVE venison and that first morning your chances are best from above.
I always laugh when I see stories about guys getting busted for planting food plots, dumping corn, etc. Neighbors are quick to use the TIP line and turn folks in (and collect a reward) and the DNR frequently flies planes and choppers over the woods leading up to deer season. Stands to reason an officer may pay an early morning visit to an area where dozens of deer were spotted just standing around with each other.
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We drop feed for hogs, but that is pest control.
Nice thing is the processors will do it for free if you donate the meat to a local charity.
Win-win-win.
Nice thing is the processors will do it for free if you donate the meat to a local charity.
Win-win-win.
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Slightly off topic, but sometimes I miss my former Governor - he actually said this while he was serving as Governor of Minnesota in 2001.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=93626
"And I'll just tell you this: Until you've hunted man, you haven't hunted yet," Ventura told Anderson. "Because you need to hunt something that can shoot back at you to really classify yourself as a hunter. You need to understand the feeling of what it's like to go into the field and know your opposition can take you out. Not just go out there and shoot Bambi."
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=93626
"And I'll just tell you this: Until you've hunted man, you haven't hunted yet," Ventura told Anderson. "Because you need to hunt something that can shoot back at you to really classify yourself as a hunter. You need to understand the feeling of what it's like to go into the field and know your opposition can take you out. Not just go out there and shoot Bambi."
Hell, the farmers in Louisiana consider deer pests and kill them all year round. They'll(legally) let kids(10-14) post up on the outside of a field out of season.
As far as illegal or frowned upon hunting. I wouldn't want to be a Game Warden down here that's for sure.
As far as illegal or frowned upon hunting. I wouldn't want to be a Game Warden down here that's for sure.
From the guy who never saw combat, what an asshat....
I deer hunt and coyote hunt. I don't use calls for deer. I, however, do use electronic calls for coyotes. I like the calls because I can offset the call from where I am at, and I am usually hunting on some farmer or rancher's land who asked me to get rid of the coyotes.
Therefore I can be more consistent in doing what the landowner asked me to do.
Therefore I can be more consistent in doing what the landowner asked me to do.
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I guess part of the conversation needs to revolve around the intended purpose. If your intended purpose is to eliminate pests ie: coyotes/pigs/etc then electronic calls, helos, jeeps are all fair game. Eliminate with extreme prejudice. On the other hand, if you are going to apply the rules of fair-chase to the deer you hope to eat, then give the animal a fair chase.
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amorris127289
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Agreed. I believe Rangerpsych mentioned using a bow on another thread; but do any of you use a bow(compound or cross)? I used a crossbow this past deer season and that was to easy, the arrows shoot to true with very little skill and I would like to start using a compound bow for deer/turkey. Any pointers or stories? Other than don't use short arrows with an overdraw
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Cross bows are illegal to hunt with in Oregon, IIRC. I had a Bowtech Admiral. Before that a Bear recurve. Find someone near you who can shoot and ask them for help. I went from a complete zero with out help, to a high speed shooter with help. Compounds,,,, they are just a different animal than traditional and recurves.
I have started using a long bow for deer hunting and rabbit hunting. It is way more fun than with a rifle. The sense of accomplishment you get when your successful is awesome.
