Israel and Iran

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Ultimately, Iran is the real problem here. Iran will not accept any form of a peace deal that ends its hold over Palestinians. With Iran also funding Hezbollah, you have that problem as well. How will Israel ever know peace as long as Iran is involved?
This gets at the root cause of a lot of the problem.

It's not the religious differences, we'll it is, but it's more that Hamas, Hezbollah, et al having the financial, political and military support of a sponsor state like Iran to continue to stoking the fire.

Without Iran's support, those groups become much less relevant. Syria plays a roll too especially with Hezbollah, but the real problem is Iran. Everyone knows this, but, as was pointed out earlier here (or maybe another thread) by @Marauder06, there's a lack conviction, for whatever reason, to do anything about it. So, the beat goes on.
 
I'm conflicted - and not the snarky conflicted that I live with day to day - seriously conflicted.

You cannot kill an idea - but you can definitely kill enough believers to convince them that trying to force their ideas on others carries an astronomical fee.
Does violence beget violence?
Sure it does - and so what - because those who refuse to defend an ideology will be killed off by those that are not afraid to proliferate their own ideas.

Is Hamas a death cult?
Of course they are - so give them what they want.
ERADICATE THEM.
If the rest of the 1.6 billion Muslims around the world see this as an affront - then perhaps they don't see current events as they should. Any percentage of that 1.6 billion that see current events as 'due process' for some perceived slight that is worthy of raping, torturing, and murdering innocent men, women, and children - just to make a point - well, then fuck 'em.
I consider ANY percentage that would defend what happened as at best apologists and supporters - at worst, radical islamofascists, worthy of nothing more than the martyrdom they seek.

Keep your views and ideas - to yourself - but this jihad you seek is a two way street - and I would posit that even though we can't kill the idea of radical islamofascism - those who espouse it can certainly be killed off by the bushel basket until the rest of them decide to calm the fuck down.

Allied forces during World War 2 killed the living shit out of a few ideas.
Nazi ideology was pretty comfortable in their position that their so called “Aryan Race" was the superior strain of the human race.
Then one day, way back in 1936, a young black man from Oakville Alabama destroyed that myth.
Cleanly.
Effortlessly.
And he did it with out violence.

Unfortunately, those who continued to propagate that myth had to be dealt with violently because sometimes, you have to forego the effort to "kill an idea" and replace it with the action of killing everyone that continues to advance that idea. Many of the twisted and misguided ideas still exist today. The difference is, those ideas are now tamed and quiet in comparison. A generation made it clear to the entire world - continue to behave like this - and we are going to level your fucking cities. Continue down this path, and we will firebomb the very fucking home where you raise your children. Resist, and we will turn the landscape red with the blood of your fathers, sons, brothers, and children.

And then we went right out and did that very thing to prove that we were not fucking around.
We didn't just rattle sabres.
We didn't look for a camera lens to talk into.
We didn't virtue signal on Twitter.
We didn't add caveats to our condemnation.
We didn't hire a bunch of washed up retirees to be news contributors.
We passed judgment.
We prosecuted our tormentors without mercy.
We went out and clubbed mother fuckers to death with a rifle butt.
We went out and set mother fuckers on fire.
...and then when that wasn't enough, we went out and firebombed their fucking cities.
We absolutely refused to apologize for our fury - we demanded an unconditional surrender.

Then, 'we the people' turned our fucking descendants into a generation of dope smoking hippy peaceniks.
We the people have become nation of citizens with a national stomach too sensitive to digest the amount of hot sauce it takes to grind evil back into the mud when it surfaces - and make no mistake - radical islamofascism is NOT a religious belief - it is an evil that needs to be mercilessly ground back into the mud before it spreads and poisons others.

Sure - the idea may not die - but those who would use that idea to torture, rape, and murder innocent men, women, and children because they believe in a different version of God - should live in the very terror that they seek to visit on others.

Just my two cents.
 
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I'm conflicted - and not the snarky conflicted that I live with day to day - seriously conflicted.

You cannot kill an idea - but you can definitely kill enough believers to convince them that trying to force their ideas on others carries an astronomical fee.
Does violence beget violence?
Sure it does - and so what - because those who refuse to defend an ideology will be killed off by those that are not afraid to proliferate their own ideas.

Is Hamas a death cult?
Of course they are - so give them what they want.
ERADICATE THEM.
If the rest of the 1.6 billion Muslims around the world see this as an affront - then perhaps they don't see current events as they should. Any percentage of that 1.6 billion that see current events as 'due process' for some perceived slight that is worthy of raping, torturing, and murdering innocent men, women, and children - just to make a point - well, then fuck 'em.
I consider ANY percentage that would defend what happened as at best apologists and supporters - at worst, radical islamofascists, worthy of nothing more than the martyrdom they seek.

Keep your views and ideas - to yourself - but this jihad you seek is a two way street - and I would posit that even though we can't kill the idea of radical islamofascism - those who espouse it can certainly be killed off by the bushel basket until the rest of them decide to calm the fuck down.

Allied forces during World War 2 killed the living shit out of a few ideas.
Nazi ideology was pretty comfortable in their position that their so called “Aryan Race" was the superior strain of the human race.
Then one day, way back in 1936, a young black man from Oakville Alabama destroyed that myth.
Cleanly.
Effortlessly.
And he did it with out violence.

Unfortunately, those who continued to propagate that myth had to be dealt with violently because sometimes, you have to forego the effort to "kill an idea" and replace it with the action of killing everyone that continues to advance that idea. Many of the twisted and misguided ideas still exist today. The difference is, those ideas are now tamed and quiet in comparison. A generation made it clear to the entire world - continue to behave like this - and we are going to level your fucking cities. Continue down this path, and we will firebomb the very fucking home where you raise your children. Resist, and we will turn the landscape red with the blood of your fathers, sons, brothers, and children.

And then we went right out and did that very thing to prove that we were not fucking around.
We didn't just rattle sabres.
We didn't look for a camera lens to talk into.
We didn't virtue signal on Twitter.
We didn't add caveats to our condemnation.
We didn't hire a bunch of washed up retirees to be news contributors.
We passed judgment.
We prosecuted our tormentors without mercy.
We went out and clubbed mother fuckers to death with a rifle butt.
We went out and set mother fuckers on fire.
...and then when that wasn't enough, we went out and firebombed their fucking cities.
We absolutely refused to apologize for our fury - we demanded an unconditional surrender.

Then, 'we the people' turned our fucking descendants into a generation of dope smoking hippy peaceniks.
We the people have become nation of citizens with a national stomach too sensitive to digest the amount of hot sauce it takes to grind evil back into the mud when it surfaces - and make no mistake - radical islamofascism is NOT a religious belief - it is an evil that needs to be mercilessly ground back into the mud before it spreads and poisons others.

Sure - the idea may not die - but those would would use that idea to torture, rape, and murder innocent men, women, and children because they believe in a different version of God - should live in the very terror that they seek to visit on others.

Just my two cents.

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In the early 90s i heard stories of how different America was in the 60s compared to then. Men were men, some people smoked weed and did drugs, but most everybody had a stable job and a cheap hobby to take up their free time.

We are in a period of the greatest amount of wealth, technology, and health that's ever happened. Life should be enjoyable. Instead we're here racking our brains questioning if someone should let their son wear a dress, own a firearm, and if its right or wrong that 1000 guys got together to kill, rape, mutilate and pillage because the country next-door has them surrounded after years of rocket strikes.

Everybody should know Ham Ass uses human shields. Its fucking common knowledge....

I remeber feeling for the Iraqis that grew up living under Sadam and had no idea how good life could be. It was 2004 and mother fuckers were riding around on donkey carts in a country that invented algebra, probbaly written language, and sits on oil. I'm having a harder time feeling for the people of Gaza that were given control of their area (mostly), then turned around, voted for these clowns that promised nothing but jihad. The women and kids sure, but most of the leaders and older adults made their choice.

Shit is not the same.
 
Any source for this other than a random twitter account?

Guys…remember that blue-check marks on Twitter don’t mean shit anymore.

For following the war so far, his/hers account has been very accurate and I would not call it "random". Most of the reports he's pushing are coming from official releases and he's aggregating stuff in a digestible format.

However, the update to this is: radar error.


In the early 90s i heard stories of how different America was in the 60s compared to then. Men were men, some people smoked weed and did drugs, but most everybody had a stable job and a cheap hobby to take up their free time.

We are in a period of the greatest amount of wealth, technology, and health that's ever happened. Life should be enjoyable. Instead we're here racking our brains questioning if someone should let their son wear a dress, own a firearm, and if its right or wrong that 1000 guys got together to kill, rape, mutilate and pillage because the country next-door has them surrounded after years of rocket strikes.

Everybody should know Ham Ass uses human shields. Its fucking common knowledge....

I remeber feeling for the Iraqis that grew up living under Sadam and had no idea how good life could be. It was 2004 and mother fuckers were riding around on donkey carts in a country that invented algebra, probbaly written language, and sits on oil. I'm having a harder time feeling for the people of Gaza that were given control of their area (mostly), then turned around, voted for these clowns that promised nothing but jihad. The women and kids sure, but most of the leaders and older adults made their choice.

Shit is not the same.

Israel has given people what they want, many times over. Partially because it strains their resources to hold ground. However, it's clear that holding that ground provided greater security. Israel is not an apartheid state, Israel has many Arabs who are citizens and love Israel. Israeli Arabs want nothing to do with Palestinians and see them as an enemy. Many of the people that came to the West Bank had previously fled, so they didn't really have homes as it was a war zone (thanks Jordan) these people chose to live a life of "Forever Refugee" rather than integrate into Jordanian society. When Israel gave the PA authority over the west bank this ilk moved back and was fairly radical. There was allowed travel from the West Bank to Gaza obviously. However, post Arafat and under Abbas, the PA wants 0 to do with Hamas as Hamas provides no viability to any form of Palestine state or general existence except as a "forever refugee" and probably "forever terrorist".
 
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For following the war so far, his/hers account has been very accurate and I would not call it "random". Most of the reports he's pushing are coming from official releases and he's aggregating stuff in a digestible format.

However, the update to this is: radar error.
My point exactly. If there were Paragliders coming back into Israel from Lebanon, that would be a pretty huge story.
 
In the early 90s i heard stories of how different America was in the 60s compared to then. Men were men, some people smoked weed and did drugs, but most everybody had a stable job and a cheap hobby to take up their free time.

We are in a period of the greatest amount of wealth, technology, and health that's ever happened. Life should be enjoyable. Instead we're here racking our brains questioning if someone should let their son wear a dress, own a firearm, and if its right or wrong that 1000 guys got together to kill, rape, mutilate and pillage because the country next-door has them surrounded after years of rocket

“Weak men make hard times” and all of that…

People want something to hate. Anyone willing to provide it is going to have an immense amount of power.

Young people need something to crusade for. They need The Good Fight. They need something to strive for and to look up to.

For a long time, that “something” was America, and Western values. We’ve allowed so many people to undermine so much of our society for so long that America isn’t seen as something worth fighting for. It’s not seen as legitimate. So people, especially young people, are loomingofor something else to fill that need.

Hamas has done a masterful job of milking Western angst and guilt and sympathy and restraint and weakness. And now we are wheee we are.
 
I had an epiphany when I was in Iraq in '07 talking with a group of Iraqi soldiers at their aid station. The told me through a terp that everybody understands the American's were not there to destroy Iraq or take control. I'm paraphrasing here but he basically said:: "We see the American television shows on satellite, we watch the movies, we love them. Americans, Europeans are good, we see how they act. We like the nature shows, we don't have people like this here. In America when something happens they even make sure to take care of the animals."

I was shocked at their candor and emotional honesty. I knew Arabic basics and could introduce myself etc., so I caught some of the words. They went on having a conversation and kept saying Iz'ray'el, something, Iz'ray'el, tayarah harbee, Suriyah, Saudi, and were making missile motions with their hands. I was like WTF? Are they saying they want to destroy Israel? The terp said something to them and they all started saying No No! Israel good. Here I am dumbfounded and trying to soak it all in. They were talking about how they didn't have peace in Iraq because of all the foreign fighters from syria and Palestine, Al Qaeda etc. They were all agreeing they wished Israel would take all their missiles and fighter jets and bomb all the other middle eastern countries.

My 24 year old mind was blown away at the reality of it all.
 
This shit has me arguing with people on Instagram about the validity of the actual attack and whether it was righteous retaliation, just barbaric, or a flase flag.... Some of them who have profiles claiming to be U.S. combat veterans, some even SOF...

Holy shit man.
 
Like I said, instead of bastions for education our college campuses have become bastions of radicalization. You have people all over academia trying to either outright justify what Hamas did or to provide "extra context" to it in order to make an equivocation that what they did was somehow less bad than the response.

The response thus far? Has been amazing as it relates to the extent that someone would go to attempt to save human life, goes way beyond what the US did in Iraq or Afghanistan.

Leaflets, Loudspeakers, targeted SMS alerts, Targeted automated phone alerts, targets automated whatsapp messages. So if you're an innocent civilian that is sticking around the target, it's honestly because you're choosing to be martyred. But Hamas has something like a 99% approval rate in Gaza so go figure.
 
Like I said, instead of bastions for education our college campuses have become bastions of radicalization. You have people all over academia trying to either outright justify what Hamas did or to provide "extra context" to it in order to make an equivocation that what they did was somehow less bad than the response.

The response thus far? Has been amazing as it relates to the extent that someone would go to attempt to save human life, goes way beyond what the US did in Iraq or Afghanistan.

Leaflets, Loudspeakers, targeted SMS alerts, Targeted automated phone alerts, targets automated whatsapp messages. So if you're an innocent civilian that is sticking around the target, it's honestly because you're choosing to be martyred. But Hamas has something like a 99% approval rate in Gaza so go figure.
So Israel needs to whack 99% of Gaza?
 
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