Israel and Iran

As bloody as this is, this is essentially a propaganda war. Hamas wins by not losing--simply surviving the conflict. Israel loses by any other outcome beyond the annihilation of Hamas. The only real question I have is how long Israel gets let off the leash before the protests drive a political solution that will, ultimately, hand Hamas a win.
Ask Obama
 
A short read on the Qassam rockets used by Hamas against Israel:

The Changing Role of the Qassam Rocket • The Havok Journal

Most the components for a Qassam are readily available and are used in products, like fertilizer or they can be used from ripped up pipes from buildings. Each rocket is primarily composed of potassium-nitrate, sugar, a pipe, a few steel fins and some explosive warhead. Basically, the same propellant, potassium-nitrate and sugar are used in bottle rockets and other fireworks. The compounds are safe to keep in dry storage and easy to move. They are relatively simple, easy to fire and lack guidance systems. Qassam rockets pose a constant threat to areas in proximity to Gaza, with people having only about 15 seconds of warning when a rocket is fired. The accuracy of these rockets is limited...

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oh for fuck sake - are we seriously making threats about "crossing a line"

how very obama of him
What fucking "line" do we need?? Hamas killed and kidnapped dozens of Americans whose only crime was to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Hamas and their ilk are habitual line-steppers. Fuck all of those people. Kill a bunch of them, get our people back, and come on home.
 
What fucking "line" do we need?? Hamas killed and kidnapped dozens of Americans whose only crime was to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Hamas and their ilk are habitual line-steppers. Fuck all of those people. Kill a bunch of them, get our people back, and come on home.

I agree with you, but our involvement would dramatically escalate the situation. It becomes a losing scenario for the US and I seriously doubt this administration would know what to do...about any foreign policy decision to be honest.
 
Wasn't Blinken calling on Israel to restrain themselves on Oct. 8 until the WH made him change his tune?? Who is he in regards to military operations anyway? 😆 He pumps out what hes told.

Im all for trying to get our people back by any means available like posted earlier in the thread but thats about it.

We gave Iraq and Afghanistan full fucking Armies complete with tanks, Mraps, helicopters, the whole 9. They aren't capable of shit. $100 bil. on Ukraine and Israel sems like a steal...
 
I agree with you, but our involvement would dramatically escalate the situation. It becomes a losing scenario for the US and I seriously doubt this administration would know what to do...about any foreign policy decision to be honest.
We're involved, brother. We've **been** involved. Continuing to send hundreds of millions of dollars to prop up the terrorist, American-killing regime in Gaza like we're doing isn't the answer. As long as a single American is held hostage, we should be pummeling the shit out of Hamas (politically, economically, and/or militarily as appropriate), and any organization that supports them, until that changes.

That doesn't mean we should go in heavy on the ground, let the Israelis do the heavy lifting. But airstrikes and SOF direct action? Yeah. Yalla habibi, hayaa bina naqum bidhalik.
 
I agree, but apparently we need to wait for some line to be crossed.
...and we REALLY mean it this time

"Don't, Don't, Don't"
That shipped has sailed. Hamas crossed the Rubicon. Alea iacta est. "Reap the whirlwind." Sleeping giant, terrible resolve.

Whatever metaphor or aphorism we want to use, the time for restraint has passed. One of the reasons we're in this situation is because we propped up both sides of this war for far too long, and the whole world thinks we're weak. It's time to change both of those conditions.
 
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