Israel and Iran

Regarding the above, that’s how stupid they are. But I digress. The worlds most successful terrorist is Nelson Mandela, closely followed by Martin McGuinness who had a spectacular win creating Bloody Sunday. If you look at the alphabet soup of terrorist organisations over the past ‘so long,’ the one identifier that separates these two from the pack is one word, negotiation. They both negotiated, by which I mean that they used the sword to force their opposition to opposition to the table & negotiated an outcome, to the benefit of all. With 20 million black South Africans & 4 million whites, it could have gone very badly, which is the point as when you achieve parity the violence becomes secondary, it’s served it’s purpose. To wit, Mandela said lay down your arms, we live together now. McGuinness’ path was more circular, but achieved the same goal as a representative firstly of the PIRA & then Sinn Fein & one of the architects of the Good Friday Agreement.
I use these two men to illustrate what can be achieved at the point of a gun, but at a critical point, violence is put aside. The list of terrorist groups that don’t get it is long & any acronym you can immediately conjure up comes to mind, let alone The Liberation Tiigers Of Tamil Eelam (one of the best IMO) the Shining Path, the Weather Men & the Symbionese Liberation Army. The trouble with HAMAS is that in their charter is non negotiation with the state of Israel, which is a fatal flaw. I would mention that radicals on both sides have had a hand in where they find themselves to wit; Yitgzac Rabin & Anwar Sadat, but be that as it may, there have some close calls & about five maybe six attempts at finding a way forward, the best under Ehud Barack, but no, rejected by the other side as not being enough. The Free Palestine rabble will be defeated again, due to this sticking point of non negotiation, another glorious defeat in the cause of Islam, by the evil western powers of domination. Palestine needs to be free, but free from the terrorist HAMAS entity, no more, no less. My analysis fails me with what the endgame look like, who looks after ‘the Palestinians’ those who are the residents of Gaza & the West Bank when all this terrible carnage is finished, for they seem to be seperate from HAMAS, similar to the Kashmiris who just want to poke along, raise their kids, pay their dues.
BTW, not fuelled by single malt this time around, but rather a spanking Limestone Coast Cab Sav, you guys…Californian wines, get serious…Peace Out.
 
ThunderHorse said:
At least local chapters have marched in solidarity with Hamas protestors and chanted with them. But Irish people supporting terrorists is nothing new.
Click to expand...
In the current political environment, anyone who is "oppressed" is going to side with anyone who commits violence against an "oppressor." It makes for some very interesting international bedfellows.
 
Under the scenario where British soldiers could enter your home and take your daughter/wife etc. I support By Any Means Necessary.

Under the current "colonial" system where your country got their ass kicked and taken over 1-500 years ago, and the only real oppression you have to deal with is the Kings face on your money and in government buildings, or a blockade around your country because fuckers want to shoot hundreds of rockets at Israel, no sympathy...
 
TLDR20 said:
There are better videos I’m seeing on Instagram but I don’t know how to embed them.
Click to expand...

Go to insta & in the tray below you should see what looks like a paper aeroplane. Click on that & a selection of ways to send/embed should show up.
 
R.Caerbannog said:
Uh... wtf. I really wish Israel would clean up their own problems and not dump them in the West.

Israeli MKs call on West to 'welcome' refugees from Gaza
Click to expand...

I was out jogging a few days ago in my area. Saw a car coming by with NY plates so i pay attention. The fake NY vanity plates are popular back home on the front bumper. Josh Allen, Pizza Man etc.

Hassan 14, haji behind the wheel, Lebanese flag in the mirrow with beads.

As much as dont want to think about it I do. Wonder 14th letter of the alphabet is...? N. Hassan Nasrallah???

Get your ass out of here.
 
BlackSmokeRisinG said:
I was out jogging a few days ago in my area. Saw a car coming by with NY plates so i pay attention. The fake NY vanity plates are popular back home on the front bumper. Josh Allen, Pizza Man etc.

Hassan 14, haji behind the wheel, Lebanese flag in the mirrow with beads.

As much as dont want to think about it I do. Wonder 14th letter of the alphabet is...? N. Hassan Nasrallah???

Get your ass out of here.
Click to expand...
That's why I'm done with the Middle East. Same with the people who come to the west and don't assimilate or bring their old world bullshit with them. If Palestinians are such a burden for the Israeli state, why is Israel pushing them on the West?

It's like having a neighbor who constantly dumps rusty shit in your backyard, then threatens/cajoles/guilts you for cleaning up said garbage. Also, said garbage spontaneously explodes or combusts. But hey, you're the bad guy when the garbage they're dumping is turning your yard into a HAZMAT site.
 
ThunderHorse said:
At least local chapters have marched in solidarity with Hamas protestors and chanted with them. But Irish people supporting terrorists is nothing new.
Click to expand...
Marauder06 said:
In the current political environment, anyone who is "oppressed" is going to side with anyone who commits violence against an "oppressor." It makes for some very interesting international bedfellows.
Click to expand...
Oddly enough, apparently one of the diversity hires stabbed some kids and their teacher at a park. Irish people are rioting over the immigrants Ireland has been letting in now. Maybe Irelands political class is bought, just like the one we have here.

Violent clashes break out in Dublin after knife attack that injured 3 children
 
R.Caerbannog said:
Oddly enough, apparently one of the diversity hires stabbed some kids and their teacher at a park. Irish people are rioting over the immigrants Ireland has been letting in now. Maybe Irelands political class is bought, just like the one we have here.

Violent clashes break out in Dublin after knife attack that injured 3 children
Click to expand...

Cracks me up that the Irish are burning shit. Stop fucking burning fish n chip shops are start burning government buildings that are the reason for the immigration disasters. That's my take on it. I'd be pissed off too.
 
BlackSmokeRisinG said:
Paywall, I'm not paywall savy but want to read.
Click to expand...

I’m your huckleberry…

By the eve of World War II, the International Committee of the Red Cross had reshaped the landscape of humanitarianism. Founded in 1863 by Henry Dunant, a Swiss businessman appalled by the carnage he saw on an Italian battlefield, the organization had made itself the central player in the modern law of war. Having organized the conference that drew up the original Geneva Conventions, the ICRC was formally empowered to tend to wounded, sick and imprisoned soldiers and to ensure that they were humanely treated rather than left for dead. The ICRC had given rise to Red Cross organizations around the world, including in the United States, and had begun attending to disasters, natural and manmade.

But what began as an organization meant to curb the barbarity of warfare has found it difficult to live down its most grievous mistake: cozying up to the Third Reich, remaining silent about the Holocaust and later helping Nazis escape justice. In his last book, “Nazis on the Run: How Hitler’s Henchmen Fled Justice” (2011), historian Gerald Steinacher chronicled one aspect of this shameful era. His newest effort, “Humanitarians at War: The Red Cross in the Shadow of the Holocaust,” synthesizes what he and other historians have learned about the ICRC’s conduct during this troublesome period before adding new material on what the organization did next. This more comprehensive account of the ICRC’s actions equips the reader to decide whether the organization truly recovered from its wartime and postwar errors.

Much of “Humanitarians at War” re-treads the ICRC’s missteps in those dark years, rightly laying most of the blame on Switzerland’s Carl Jacob Burckhardt. With the ICRC’s moralistic Christian president, Max Huber, elderly and often ill during the 1930s, it was Burckhardt, his second in command, who made major decisions regarding relations with Adolf Hitler’s government. A diplomat and known careerist, Burckhardt harbored a traditional anti-Semitism and such hatred of communism that he regarded German Nazism as a bulwark of civilization and a necessary evil. As early as April 1933, the ICRC was receiving desperate letters from inmates of German concentration camps, including one from Dachau pleading: “‘I beg you again in the name of the prisoners—Help! Help!’” Yet as Mr. Steinacher writes, during this period Burckhardt was given an inspection tour “and officially lauded the commandant of Dachau for his discipline and decency.”

It wasn’t just willfully repeating the Germans’ propaganda that stained the ICRC. Nor was it only the fact that, knowing the Nazis had confirmed their policy of mass extermination of the Jews at the 1942 Wannsee Conference, the ICRC did nothing to intervene. What was more difficult to defend was Burckhardt’s sympathies with and efforts on behalf of Nazi actors after Germany’s defeat. He opposed the Nuremberg trials, labeling them “Jewish revenge.” Red Cross officials attempted to whitewash the record of Nuremberg defendant and high-ranking Nazi diplomat Ernst von Weizsäcker. After the Holocaust, the ICRC—by then helmed by Burckhardt—even abetted the flight of Nazis such as Adolf Eichmann and Josef Mengele by providing them with travel papers.

Complicating matters was the close tie between the ICRC and the Swiss government. Switzerland’s conduct during the war drew unfavorable comparisons with that of the Swedes, whose wartime record, while hardly “clean,” nonetheless led their country to be labeled the “good” neutral in contrast with “bad” Switzerland. This fueled a postwar Swedish attempt to take over Switzerland’s longtime custodianship of the laws of war, upon which Mr. Steinacher dwells at length. Strikingly, Switzerland’s unfortunate wartime conduct was not the primary rationale for a Swedish takeover: It was essentially a turf war. Sweden lost because the champion of its effort, Count Folke Bernadotte, was assassinated in 1948 while serving as a United Nations mediator in Jerusalem.

The denouement of “Humanitarians at War” focuses on the ICRC’s work to create the new Geneva Conventions of 1949, which endure as the main treaties governing the conduct of war. Given their sterling reputation to this day, especially since they provided formal protections for civilians, Mr. Steinacher is willing to conclude that the results of the lawmaking have been “overwhelmingly positive.” For this reason, the ICRC seems largely redeemed by the end of the book, and the tale has a happy ending.
 

Similar threads

Marauder06
Tampons in Bullet Holes (Again)
2 3 4
Replies
76
Views
11K
Muppet
Muppet
Back
Top