Israel and Iran

Question . . . (Genuine, no sarcasm)

Can you support the Palestinian people without being in support of Hammas?
I think the answer is yes, but there is a big "BUT."

A recent poll showed that 71% of polled Palestinians think that Hamas attacking Israel on 10/7 was the correct thing to do. That's an issue that needs some heavy "de-nazi-fication" post WW2 treatment.

And, for the record, Fatah isn't that much better than Hamas and needs the same treatment.

The primary issue with the Palestinians is that they, currently, do not want a lasting peace with Israel, period. And the primary victims of this ethno-nationalism are the Palestinian children.

Peace will come to Israel and the Palestinians when the Palestinians love their own children more than they hate the Israeli's.
 
The primary issue with the Palestinians is that they, currently, do not want a lasting peace with Israel, period. And the primary victims of this ethno-nationalism are the Palestinian children.

This. The Israelis know this and that's a big part of the reason they act the way they do. There's no problem with having an arab muslim minority in Israel for them, so long as it's not a majority. When we look at this situation with our Western eyes or our Christian values, or our Neo-Marxist values, or whatever, fact is the ground truth is very different.
 
I think the answer is yes, but there is a big "BUT."

A recent poll showed that 71% of polled Palestinians think that Hamas attacking Israel on 10/7 was the correct thing to do. That's an issue that needs some heavy "de-nazi-fication" post WW2 treatment.

And, for the record, Fatah isn't that much better than Hamas and needs the same treatment.

The primary issue with the Palestinians is that they, currently, do not want a lasting peace with Israel, period. And the primary victims of this ethno-nationalism are the Palestinian children.

Peace will come to Israel and the Palestinians when the Palestinians love their own children more than they hate the Israeli's.

Genocide is the only answer. Right, wrong, or other, any "peace" is temporary and the only way out of the Palestinian problem is one side dies and one side lives. We are kidding ourselves if we think "peace" is a solution in Palestine.

And even then, you can't kill an idea.

So this whole notion of peace in Palestine is like negotiating for virginity in a maternity ward.
 
I think the answer is yes, but there is a big "BUT."

A recent poll showed that 71% of polled Palestinians think that Hamas attacking Israel on 10/7 was the correct thing to do. That's an issue that needs some heavy "de-nazi-fication" post WW2 treatment.

And, for the record, Fatah isn't that much better than Hamas and needs the same treatment.

The primary issue with the Palestinians is that they, currently, do not want a lasting peace with Israel, period. And the primary victims of this ethno-nationalism are the Palestinian children.

Peace will come to Israel and the Palestinians when the Palestinians love their own children more than they hate the Israeli's.
Concur with one exception... rather than saying "yes, but...", I'd frame it as "mostly, no, but..."
 
With the ICC decision I am now officially fascinated. Correct me here but I think it was Bush jnr. Who didn’t sign up as the rationale was not to put US personnel in the dock. Looks like the right call.

As for the Court itself, I don’t know how relevant it is anymore. As Israel is a non-signatory would they recognize the jurisdiction of the court?
 
With the ICC decision I am now officially fascinated. Correct me here but I think it was Bush jnr. Who didn’t sign up as the rationale was not to put US personnel in the dock. Looks like the right call.

As for the Court itself, I don’t know how relevant it is anymore. As Israel is a non-signatory would they recognize the jurisdiction of the court?
This seems to be a very slippery slope. The invasion of Iraq could easily earn the US, and Bush Jr, an indictment. Hell all of us could be guilty of something.
 
This seems to be a very slippery slope. The invasion of Iraq could easily earn the US, and Bush Jr, an indictment. Hell all of us could be guilty of something.
Exactly. That’s why Pres Bush said “we’re not signing on to this, and if you take any of our people, we will come get them.” AKA Hague Invasion Act.
 
The ICC is just another ineffectual leftist feel-good organization passing indictments it can't enforce.

Without the common united hatred for Israel by the surrounding Arab countries and current Tribes that make up "Palestine", they would probably kill each other.

And that's why Israel still exists. And even with the common hatred of Israel, history has shown they still can't put together a solid coalition to wipe it off the map. Muslims have been slaughtering each other since the 6th Century...and it's probably a good thing for everybody else.
 
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