Israel and Iran

Marauder06 said:
Some people like to talk about the "universal draft" in Israel, but it's far from "universal." Arab-Israelis do not have to enlist. Druze men do not have to enlist, although many of them do. Same with bedouins. And, up until now, ultra-orthodox Israeli Jews did not have to enlist. Given the burgeoning demographics of Arabs and Ultra-Orthodox, a smaller and smaller percentage of Israel's population has had to bear the burden of national defense.

Some of that may be about to change:

Israel's Supreme Court rules ultra-Orthodox men must serve in military in unanimous decision
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I'm honestly torn on this.

On the one hand, it's good that the obnoxious free-loader class of Israeli society has to actually do something productive. Most of my friends in Israel have nothing but disdain for the orthodox and it's easy to see why when all they do is sit home and read books, procreate, and have their wives do all the manual labor around the house, while being a pain to those around them, both Jew and Gentile. Also, they tend to create a disproportionate amount of laws that other Israeli's have to abide by.

However, that also means that more units like the Netzah Yehuda are potentially going to be in existence...and I really don't think that is a good idea. Those guys tend to have the Deuteronomic mindset of,

"When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations—the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations larger and stronger than you— and when the Lord your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy."
-Deut 7:1-2

Which...is a problem.
 
Whatever Hamas and Iran want out of this war they started with Israel, they probably need to secure it in the next couple of months because even if Trump doesn't win, a whole lot of the Democrat party are going to have to pretend to care a lot less about Palestine.
 
It has pretty mad over here, but the Jew/Jundallah split is hopefully settling down. It’s down to friendship level in some quarters. Our centre left government has been too lenient publicly and has allegedly let the issue fester. Their foreign policy however has been spot on IMO; two state solution (an each way bet), peace for all and free beer. A couple of minor details get in the way; no recognised border for the potential state and the vexing question of Jerusalem as the capital, which both sides claim. As much as I dislike our foreign minister Penny Wong, I think they got it right, with no real change so as to not frighten the horses.
 
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Biden claimed to assemble a "coalition" to deter and attack Houthis in order to protect shipping lanes. But, it's been anemic... there's been no deterrence.

It was just another failed policy of the Biden administration. There's never been a serious strike on the Houthis to hold them accountable.

Israel was attacked, and in true Israeli form, they quickly and decisively showed the Houthis/Yemen, as well as Iran, that they're the not fucking around team. It's fantastic.

We need this in our foreign policy.
 
Well, I could rant about Biden's shitty foreign policy, but I'd just be yelling into an echo chamber.

Israel has the flexibility to act where we can't right now. They do it, and, hey, that's war for you. We do anything more than defensive actions and it can be played that we're a nuclear armed bully little different from Putin to the unaligned parts of the world that we still care about (India, Brazil, etc.). The theocracy in Iran knows it, they are acting on it, and it's annoying as all Hell.

I believe, assuming Trump or someone besides Biden or Harris wins, most of the international piece of this debacle will settle out fairly quickly. If Biden and/or Harris wins . . . well, I suppose it's just that much more job security for us.
 
Blizzard said:
Biden claimed to assemble a "coalition" to deter and attack Houthis in order to protect shipping lanes. But, it's been anemic... there's been no deterrence.

It was just another failed policy of the Biden administration. There's never been a serious strike on the Houthis to hold them accountable.

Israel was attacked, and in true Israeli form, they quickly and decisively showed the Houthis/Yemen, as well as Iran, that they're the not fucking around team. It's fantastic.

We need this in our foreign policy.
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His “deterrence” went about as well as his pier.
 
Marauder06 said:
I'm glad to see Israel doing this, and would like to see more, similar things from American strikes.

The Houthis are actively trying to kill us and negatively affect our national interests. We're going to ignore them until they do something big. I'd rather cripple them now and save the American money and American lives.

Israel strikes Iran-backed Houthis after Tehran proxy attacked Jewish state: 'Significance is clear'

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Wife and I talked about this months ago.

I told her I would have hit any electric generation plants and put them in the dark
Followed by petro targets (See photo above :) )
Sink ships in the harbor to stop/reduce food imports.
Then start taking the desalinization plants out, one at a time.
Eventually survival becomes an issue.

War needs to be total or not at all, "limited" wars rarely accomplish anything
 
We haven't won an insurgency since....since ever. The only wars worth doing are the WW2 style destruction of entire enemy areas.

We didn't "win" Iraq until IS took 1/4 of the country and we bombed the shit out of it. Look at Afganistan, look at Syria and Africa. We spend all this time, effort and cash on playing fuck around then get surprised it doesn't work...
 
BlackSmokeRisinG said:
We haven't won an insurgency since....since ever. The only wars worth doing are the WW2 style destruction of entire enemy areas.

We didn't "win" Iraq until IS took 1/4 of the country and we bombed the shit out of it. Look at Afganistan, look at Syria and Africa. We spend all this time, effort and cash on playing fuck around then get surprised it doesn't work...
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Philippine Insurrection worked out fine, but we didn't use any of those tactics in Afghanistan.
 
BlackSmokeRisinG said:
We haven't won an insurgency since....since ever. The only wars worth doing are the WW2 style destruction of entire enemy areas.

We didn't "win" Iraq until IS took 1/4 of the country and we bombed the shit out of it. Look at Afganistan, look at Syria and Africa. We spend all this time, effort and cash on playing fuck around then get surprised it doesn't work...
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We won the one that mattered, against the most powerful nation in the world. ;)

Kidding aside, the Philippines and some of the banana wars. But we've lost the stomach for the long-term investment.
 

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