National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion (please review page 1)

[Locksteady]

I don't get you man. And no, this is not socially acceptable.

Social decorum rarely is a driving concern for any groups who have successfully attempted change through activism. In fact, disagreement on those grounds from non-supporters is often taken as an indicator to non-rioting protesters like these to continue exercising their free speech rights in those ways.

Your attempt to defend this behavior is awful.

I suppose you are also free to conflate my feedback with a defense of his behavior.

He'll now have a detail on his street patrolling in a greater capacity because his address was leaked. (Legally or illegally)

That should hopefully help in case more malicious elements want to take advantage of information that, beyond its immediate availability to neighbors and anyone delivering material to his doorstep, is increasingly more challenging to hide due to the IoT.

 

[DA SWO]

Link? Or just your opinion? I have a lot of friends in Austin. What makes it a ‘liberal tech center he’ll hole’?

No surprise. Austin has had a deluge of of west coast liberals flood the area and slowly turn the city into a liberal tech center hell hole. Here's hoping the Lone Star spirit curb stomps the useful idiots trying to radically change Texas.

Austin tends to be the butt of many jokes from my more conservative acquaintances in Texas. (Welcome to Texas please don't move here. Welcome to Texas, we're full.)

Here you go though. A picture is worth a thousand words.
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The Worst Kinds of Austin Transplants

Keep Austin weird has been a local joke for decades.

That said, Austin (home of UT Austin) has been extremely liberal as long as I have been in Texas, 16 years and counting.
Previous, and current Governor have gone out of their way to bring CA tech firms into Texas (primarily Austin). My very liberal brother-in-law (tech guy who USE to live in Austin) has started to complain about people californicating his state.

Austin isn't a total hell-hole, but that's because the current Governor use State Law and agencies to go in and clean up when things start to get out of control.

 

[Devildoc]

I like Austin, I do. Some great food and beer, and historically I like UT. But it is indeed the most liberal city in Texas; reminded me of a bigger, hipper Chapel Hill (NC). I don't know if it is because it's where the flagship school is located or what. And like Chapel Hill, that place is expensive as hell to live in.

 

[GOTWA]

Social decorum rarely is a driving concern for any groups who have successfully attempted change through activism. In fact, disagreement on those grounds from non-supporters is often taken as an indicator to non-rioting protesters like these to continue exercising their free speech rights in those ways.I suppose you are also free to conflate my feedback with a defense of his behavior.That should hopefully help in case more malicious elements want to take advantage of information that, beyond its immediate availability to neighbors and anyone delivering material to his doorstep, is increasingly more challenging to hide due to the IoT.

Next thing you'll say is that the Taliban, in whole, is just a group of activists.

 

[Locksteady]

Next thing you'll say is that the Taliban, in whole, is just a group of activists.

Only if they did something as egregious as saying mean things to a peace officer outside his residence.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

Only if they did something as egregious as saying mean things to a peace officer outside his residence.

I’m trying to walk the fine line of not personally attacking another member, but come on man. COME ON!

Leading a caravan of vehicles from the city to the man’s home, and then doing what he did and saying what he said, is well beyond just “saying mean things. “

 

[Locksteady]

I’m trying to walk the fine line of not personally attacking another member, but come on man. COME ON!

No worries. I'll avoid responding in kind if you decide to do that.

Leading a caravan of vehicles from the city to the man’s home, and then doing what he did and saying what he said, is well beyond just “saying mean things. “

That is, quite literally, all they did.

I find it astonishing that the outrage you're venting is directed entirely towards the way I summed up what the protesters did as a quip in place of @GOTWA's indirect back comparison of these nonviolent protesters to an Islamist terrorist organization that killed 3,000 of our citizens and destroyed the Twin Towers in one surprise attack, launched a two decade war, and killed thousands of our brave servicemembers meanwhile.

 

[Hungry_Dog]

@Locksteady

What's the point of doxxing someone and showing up at their house if not to harass and intimidate+?

If it was about protests and expressing themselves, they could have done that without dropping a pin on google maps.

 

[Locksteady]

@Locksteady

What's the point of doxxing someone and showing up at their house if not to harass and intimidate+?

If you're interested in getting the attention of someone who seems to be ignoring you, showing up to their residence and being loud is a good step towards bridging that gap.

If it was about protests and expressing themselves in ways that wouldn't gain his attention, they could have done that without dropping a pin on google maps.

FTFY

 

[Hungry_Dog]

If you're interested in pissing off the locals and immediate neighbors, possibly endangering lives, and growing an all around distaste for your movement and tactics, showing up to their residence and being loud is a good step towards bridging that gap.

ftfy

 

[Locksteady]

If you're interested in pissing off the locals and immediate neighbors, possibly endangering lives, and growing an all around distaste for your movement and tactics, showing up to their residence and being loud is a good step towards bridging that gap.FTFY

ftfy

If showing up and being loud is all it takes to endanger lives in a Western liberal democracy, there is a far bigger underlying problem at hand than the people exercising those rights.

Few if any major social advances in American society would have occurred if a fear of pissing off locals and gathering distaste from people who don't share their views was all it took to quell the discontent of its citizens.

 

[Hungry_Dog]

If showing up and being loud is all it takes to endanger lives in a Western liberal democracy, there is a far bigger underlying problem at hand than the people exercising those rights.

Few if any major social advances in American society would have occurred if a fear of pissing off locals and gathering distaste from people who don't share their views was all it took to quell the discontent of its citizens.

Do you have skin in the game?

 

[ThunderHorse]

If you're interested in getting the attention of someone who seems to be ignoring you, showing up to their residence and being loud is a good step towards bridging that gap.

Not remotely.

 

[Locksteady]

Do you have skin in the game?

As much as any other American citizen.

 

[Hungry_Dog]

As much as any other American citizen.

Which means what?

 

[Locksteady]

Which means what?

The right to weigh in on any issue affecting fellow American citizens.

 

[RackMaster]

We're done with this topic. No one is going to change their minds. Move onto something else.

 

[757]

I disliked a few comments, here are my reasons:

1) Disturbing the Peace. Sadly, I doubt this dude will ever be charged despite acting like a petulant child. I personally hope they go after him regardless.

2) The purpose of this event was to cause fear and stir up anger/division, even invoking the imagery of the KKK to do so. Interestingly, one of the above articles mentioned how officer Kroll claimed Keith Ellison was supportive (I'm generalizing) of Islamic Terrorists and therefore was basically a terrorist. Hypothetically, if Kroll rounded up some of his buddies, found Ellison's residence, and started blasting expletives and threats over a loud speaker at Ellison's home, I'd 100% oppose Kroll and his entourage because that is not productive in the slightest.

3) Doxxing. Kroll was doxxed and that should concern everyone here. Between 1993-2016, 8 abortion providers were doxxed and murdered. Rabid vigilantism is on the uptick in our country. Those 8 providers were murdered because the murderers saw themselves as the "good guys" killing "baby killers." Today, we see people dressed in black fighting against "Nazi's." Every person on this forum believes that Nazism is an abomination and should be strongly opposed. Leaders lead, this forum is filled with examples of great leaders and a variety of funny/tragic stories of bad leaders. In both cases, leaders have a lot of power and with great power comes great responsibility. Make no mistake, this dude is a bad leader but he is leading those people down a path of hatred. It only takes one person with a strong "justified" desire to kill can wreak havoc, just ask the families of those 8 providers if you don't believe me.

To conclude, a guy screaming obscenities and using incendiary terms is NOT something to be praised, it is something we should condemn across the board. This guys goal was not to unify or heal a division with the intent to move the needle forward, it was pure vitriol dispensed for some unknown reason (probably for personal political branding with the intent of achieving personal power and prestige). What this man did was selfish and probably caused more harm for his own cause than he realizes. The fact that this guy may become a public figure some day is terrifying.

 

[Locksteady]

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Thank you for providing these reasons.

Your post did a great job helping me appreciate the rationale behind stance, and provided well-needed context for your reactions.

 

[R.Caerbannog]

Thought I'd post these here to shed light on the logic behind these faux 'organizers' and their tactics. Doxxing and showing up at peoples homes, to threaten and intimidate them, is straight out of Saul Alinky's 'Rules For Radical's' playbook.

Rules for Radicals - Wikipedia

13. "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions."

9. "The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself. Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist."

Food for thought.