National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion (please review page 1)

So it justifies using force against people not breaking the law on their own property? Where is the line, or are we going to keep moving it?
It's pretty hard for me to word this without sounding like a dick since this is just words on a page. So bear with me.

Tuesday: Protests in Minneapolis.
Wednesday Thru Saturday: Riots. Buildings burning. Business owners who attempt to protect their businesses have been assaulted and battered.

People are being killed for defending their property in more than a few cities. So what are we to do now? Let it continue?

As far as all these bail funds? These judges better not be granting bail for a hot minute.

Thanks for the context, sounds a lot like AFG. My issue is, police are not the military, and I am worried about the outcome of outfitting them like the military, giving them military style missions, but none of the training and mental conditioning. I think that will lead to even further issues.

I’m not going to pretend I know what the right answer is, but I don’t believe this is it. Their force shown here is only going to increase their opposition.

IRT arming police officers with AR-15s and SWAT with armored vehicles, well, when the enemy is heavily armed and well resourced gangs that stuff is here to stay.
 
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In my opinion, the police do not get to write my story when it come to my constitutionally protected freedoms. Riot or not, my property, unarmed, standing on my front porch, this is the wrong response.

Go express your concerns at the next protest, riot. That's what they're all about at this point, yes?
 
In my opinion, the police do not get to write my story when it come to my constitutionally protected freedoms. Riot or not, my property, unarmed, standing on my front porch, this is the wrong response.
And 'sometimes' you have to read the room. If I lived in those neighborhoods I would 100% be sitting on my front porch, AR in reach.

But...I'd also be self aware enough to know that after the shit those cops and guard-members have taken the past 4 nights, if they said, "get the fuck in the house", I'm "getting the fuck in the house".
 
It's pretty hard for me to word this without sounding like a dick since this is just words on a page. So bear with me.

Tuesday: Protests in Minneapolis.
Wednesday Thru Saturday: Riots. Buildings burning. Business owners who attempt to protect their businesses have been assaulted and battered.

People are being killed for defending their property in more than a few cities. So what are we to do now? Let it continue?

As far as all these bail funds? These judges better not be granting bail for a hot minute.

You don’t sound like a dick at all brother. Tensions are high, the violence and destruction has to stop. I want it to stop.

In this particular video, I just don’t see how this helps that goal. I think it’s creating more disdain towards LEO and I personally can’t convince myself to see it justifiably. That’s just my take, I wouldn’t say it here on SS if I wasn’t interested in seeing the other side.
 
And 'sometimes' you have to read the room. If I lived in those neighborhoods I would 100% be sitting on my front porch, AR in reach.

But...I'd also be self aware enough to know that after the shit those cops and guard-members have taken the past 4 nights, if they said, "get the fuck in the house", I'm "getting the fuck in the house".

I'd like to second this. And if we're comparing gun freedoms to the ability to stand on your porch because it's your constituional right following a lockdown over a city that just lost over $30 million on property damage, sure. Sounds reasonable. In case anyone is wondering why the cops are taking a hard stance against those freedoms to be an asshole, see Spoiler...

In Minneapolis
1Life CBD, 1610 W Lake St: Door smashed
365 Nicollet, 365 Nicollet Mall: Substantial graffiti
4Marq, 400 Marquette Ave S: Smashed windows and graffiti
7 Mile Fashion, 2116 E Lake St: Destroyed by fire
7-Sigma, Inc., 2843 26th Ave S: Destroyed by fire
ACE Cash Express, 2701 E Lake St: Significant fire damage
Ace Hardware, 2737 Hennepin Ave: Property damage
Addis Ababa, 2713 E Lake St: Significant fire damage
Aldi, 2929 27th Ave S: Extensively looted
Anthony's Pipe & Cigar Lounge, 907 W Lake St: Heavily looted
Apple Uptown, 3018 Hennepin Ave: Glass broken, looting
Arby's, 3000 Snelling Ave: Burned to the ground
AT&T, 1433 W Lake St: Broken windows, property damage
Atlas Staffing, 102 E Lake St: Destroyed by fire
Auto Zone, 2610 E Lake St: Building burned to the ground
Banadir Pharmacy, 1 W Lake St: Looting and property damage
Birchwood Cafe, 3311 E 25th St: Property damage
BMO Harris Bank, 320 E Lake St: Property damage
Bondesque, 707 W Lake St: Windows apparently all smashed, boarded up by Thursday evening
Boost Mobile, 1109 W Broadway Ave: Property damage
Briva Health, 2211 E Lake St: Window smashed
Broadway Liquor Outlet, 2220 W Broadway Ave: Looting, property damage
Buzz Mart, 6 N 5th St: Property damage



Cadillac Pawn & Jewelry, 1538 E Lake St: Significant damage, looting
Cal Surf, 1715 W Lake St: Window smashed
Car-X Tire & Auto, 3021 E Lake St: Property damage
CB2, 3045 Hennepin Ave: Property damage, broken windows
Cedar Child Care Center, 3011 Cedar Ave S: Property damage
CFSC New Money Express, 108 E Lake St: Destroyed by fire
Chicago-Lake Liquor, 825 E Lake St: Vandals broke in and looted store
Citi Trends, 2106 E Lake St: Fire and property damage
Cost Cutters, 3003 Nicollet Ave: Water damage
Cub Foods, 2850 26th Ave S: Looting and store damage
CVS, 1010 W Lake St: Several shattered windows, doors
Dairy Queen, 4400 E Lake St: Property damage
Dogwood Coffee, 3001 Hennepin Ave S: Window smashed
Dollar General, 2136 E Lake St: Extensive fire damage
Dollar Tree, 2858 26th Ave S: Heavily looted
Dollar Tree, 3001 Nicollet Ave: Extensive property damage
Domino's Pizza, 2801 26th Ave S: Property damage
DTLR, 509 W Broadway Ave: Property damage, looting
Du Nord Craft Spirits, 2610 E 32nd St: Fire and "substantial" water damage



East Lake Library, 2727 E Lake St: Heavily damaged by smoke and water
East Lake Liquor, 3916 E Lake St: Property damage, looting
El Chuchi Market, 3201 Cedar Ave: Looting
El Nuevo Miramar, 501 E Lake St: Looting
El Nuevo Rodeo, 2709 E Lake St: Significant fire damage
El Sabor Chuchi, 717 E Lake St: Looting
Electra Tune Tire & Auto, 4522 E Lake St: Property damage
Elevated Beer Wine & Spirits, 4135 Hiawatha Ave: Property damage, looting
Extreme Noise Records, 407 W Lake St: Smashed windows, looting, other property damage
Fade Factory, 2415 W Broadway Ave: Fire reported
Familia Skateshop, 2833 Hennepin Ave: Windows smashed
Family Beauty Supply, 1014 W Broadway Ave: Extensive property damage, broken windows
Family Dollar, 1010 E Lake St: Heavy fire damage
Family Dollar, 906 W Broadway Ave: Property damage
Family Dollar, 3536 Nicollet Ave: Destroyed by fire
Firefly Credit Union, 2535 27th Ave S: Property damage, looting
Five Guys, 2300 Hennepin Ave S: Property damage
Foot Locker, 806 E Lake St: Destroyed by fire
Frattalone's Ace Hardware, 3915 E Lake St: Property damage
Freewheel Bike Midtown Bike Center, 2834 10th Ave S: Property damage, windows smashed


Gandhi Mahal Restaurant, 3009 27th Ave S: Significant fire damage
Giant Wash Coin Laundry, 914 W Broadway Ave: Broken windows, property damage
Giordano's Pizza, 2700 Hennepin Ave S: Property damage
GM Tobacco, 2619 E Lake St: Fire damage
H&M, 3001 Hennepin Ave: Windows busted
Hamdi Restaurant, 818 E Lake St: Property damage and graffiti
HD Laundry, 2112 E Lake St: Fire and property damage
Hennepin County WIC Office, 2215 E Lake St: Windows smashed
Hennepin Healthcare East Lake Clinic, 2700 E Lake St Suite 1100: Property damage
Hexagon Bar, 2600 27th Ave S: Destroyed by fire
Hi Lake Liquors, 2130 E Lake St: Property damage, looting
Hibachi Buffet, 111 E Lake St: Smashed windows, other property damage
Holiday, 2448 Hennepin Ave: Property damage
Holiday, 2322 N Washington Ave: Destroyed by fire
Holiday, 4601 Hiawatha Ave: Destroyed by fire
Home Choice, 2208 E Lake St: Fire and property damage
Honda Town, 4215 E Lake St: Property damage
Hook Fish & Chicken, 221 W Lake St: Windows smashed
Hudson Hardware, 2900 E 42nd St: Building damage and looting


ICC Wireless, 704 E Lake St: Property damage
Indulge and Bloom, 3001 Hennepin Ave S: Property damage
Infinite Vapor, 1400 Lagoon Ave S: Door smashed, apparent theft
Ingebretsen's Scandinavian Gifts, 1601 E Lake St: Broken window, possible interior damage, looted
Integrated Staffing Solutions, 2703 E Lake St: Significant fire damage
International Bazaar, 301 E Lake St: Looted
Iron Door Pub, 3001 Lyndale Ave S: Fire damage, water damage
J Klips, 2130 E Lake St: Property damage
John Fluevog, 2900 Hennepin Ave S: Property damage, broken windows
K-Mart, 10 W Lake St: Property damage
Ken & Norm's Liquor, 4801 Chicago Ave: Large window smashed out
Knights Chamber Clothiers, 3001 Hennepin Ave: Looting, property damage
LA Skin Care and Spa, 115 E Lake St: Extensive damage, water damage
Laddatude Tattoo, 3004 27th Ave S: Fire damage
Laundromax, 3225 E Lake St: Window smashed
Little Caesars, 2218 E Lake St: Fire and property damage
Little Caesars, 3015 Nicollet Ave: Water damage
LV's Barbershop, 3006 27th Ave S: Fire damage
Lyndale Tobacco, 722 W. Lake St.: Extensive looting, property damage


Marathon Gas, 2801 Lyndale Ave S: Windows smashed
MartinPatrick3, 212 3rd Ave N: Smashed windows, broken glass doors, looting
Master Collision, 224 W Lake St: Smashed windows, other property damage
maX it PAWN, 815 Cedar Ave S: Extensive fire damage
McDonald's, 3110 E Lake St: Graffiti, some broken glass
Merwin Liquors, 700 W Broadway Ave: Property damage. Closed "indefinitely"
Metro by T-Mobile, 2815 E Lake St: Extensive fire damage
Metro PCS, 2102 W Broadway Ave: Property damage
Metro PCS, 925 W Broadway Ave: Property damage
Metro PCS, 305 W Lake St: Broken windows
Midori's Floating World Cafe, 2629 E Lake St: Fire damage
Midtown Corner low-income housing, 2100 E Lake St: Major fire
Midtown Global Market, 920 E Lake St: Property damage, looting
Midtown Market, 2850 26th Ave S: Windows shattered
Minneapolis Central Library, 300 Nicollet Mall: Windows smashed, graffiti
Minnehaha Lake Wine & Spirits, 2613 E Lake St: Burned to the ground
Minnesota Transitions Charter School, 2872 26th Ave S Door B: Looted, extensive water damage
MoneyGram, 2701 E Lake St: Significant fire damage
MPD Third Precinct, 3000 Minnehaha Ave: Burned to the ground
Next Day Animations, 615 W Lake St: Windows/door smashed, other property damage
Olympic Cafe, 2117 W Broadway Ave: Destroyed by fire
O'Reilly Auto Parts, 1625 W Broadway Ave: Destroyed by fire
O'Reilly Auto Parts, 710 E Lake St: Destroyed by fire
O'Reilly Auto Parts, 3536 Nicollet Ave: Destroyed by fire
Office Depot, 3001 Nicollet Ave: Smashed doors, windows, looting
Origami Restaurant, 1354 Lagoon Ave: Door smashed


Palm Beach Tan, 1011 W Lake St: Windows apparently smashed, boarded up
Papa Murphy's, 4644 E Lake St: Property damage
Paper Source, 3048 Hennepin Ave S: Graffiti, door broken
Parkway Pizza, 4359 Minnehaha Ave: Door smashed, TV ripped from wall, tools stolen
Penzeys Spices, 3028 Hennepin Ave S: Property damage, looting
Phenom, 115 N Washington Ave: Broken window, heavy looting
Pineda Tacos, 2130 E Lake St: Property damage
Planet Fitness, 2852 26th Ave S: Property damage
Plaza Mexico, 417 E Lake St: Looted
Popeyes, 1301 W Broadway Ave: Window smashed
Popeyes, 310 W Lake St: Windows smashed, vandalized
Precision Tune Auto Care, 3232 E Lake St: Property damage
Quality Tobacco, 112 E Lake St: Destroyed by fire
Ragstock, 1433 W Lake St: Property damage, looting
Ribnick Luxury Outerwear, 224 N 1st St: Looting
Rongo's Auto Service, 3548 Nicollet Ave: Fire damage
Running Room, 1433 W Lake St: Property damage
Sabri Commons, 207 E Lake St: Looting
Sabri Properties, 315 E Lake St: Fire damage, looting
Sabri Properties, 347 E Lake St: Looting
Sally Beauty, 2740 Minnehaha Ave #120: Heavily looted
Salon Levante, 3040 Hennepin Ave: Property damage
Sanaag Restaurant and Coffee, 3007 Cedar Ave: Looting, property damage
Schooner Tavern, 2901 27th Ave S: Looting, broken windows, modest fire and water damage
See Eyewear, 3032 Hennepin Ave S: Property damage


Sew Simple, 2424 Nicollet Ave: Property damage
Seward Community Co-op, 2823 E Franklin Ave: Window smashed
Seward Pharmacy, 2209 E Lake St: Windows smashed
Shell, 640 E Lake St: Fire reported
Skol Liquors, 2500 27th Ave S: Property damage, looting
Smokeless, 514 E Hennepin Ave: Vandalized
Soderberg's Floral & Gift, 3305 E Lake St: Property damage
Sol Travel, 224 W Lake St: Looting, fire damage, water damage
Speedway, 4320 E Lake St: Property damage
Speedway, 801 W Lake St: Destroyed by fire
Speedway , 300 Broadway St NE: Door smashed, looting
Sprint Store, 3009 Nicollet Ave: Looting, property damage
Stop N Shop, 3050 1st Ave S: Fire reported
Studiiyo23, 2319 Hennepin Ave S: Property damage, looting
Target, 2500 E Lake St: Looting, physical damage to store
Target, 1650 New Brighton Blvd: Broken windows
Target, 1300 W Lake St: Property damage, looting
Teppanyaki Grill and Supreme Buffet, 2216 E Lake St: Fire and property damage
The Hook and Ladder Theater & Lounge, 3010 Minnehaha Ave: Graffiti, damage from fire sprinklers
The Hub Bike Co-op, 3016 Minnehaha Ave: Property damage
The Nic on Fifth, 465 Nicollet Mall: Graffiti
Thurston’s Jewelers, 705 W Lake St: Break-in
Tibet Store, 2835 Hennepin Ave: Windows smashed
Timberland, 3001 Hennepin Ave: Property damage, looting
Tires Plus, 3421 E Lake St: Property damage


Tobacco shop, 2835 Hennepin Ave: Window smashed
Total Wireless, 2130 E Lake St, Suite A: Fire and property damage
Town Talk Diner & Gastropub, 2707 E Lake St: Damage to building
Trattoria Mucci, 901 W Lake St: Break-in
Tweak The Glam Studio, 611 W Lake St: Fire damage
U.S. Bank, 2800 E Lake St: Property damage, graffiti
U.S. Bank, 1030 W Broadway Ave: Looting
U.S. Post Office, 110 E 31st St: Destroyed by fire
Uncle Hugo's and Uncle Edgar's bookstores, 2864 Chicago Ave: Destroyed by fire
Uptown Pawn, 301 W Lake St: Windows smashed, property damage, heavy looting
Uptown Theater, 2906 Hennepin Ave: Broken windows
Urban Forage Winery and Cider House, 3016 E Lake St: Property damage, looting
Urban Outfitters, 3006 Hennepin Ave: Window smashed
Valerie’s Carcineria, 3149 Nicollet Ave: Merchandise stolen
Walgreens, 3121 E Lake St: All windows smashed, extensive looting
Walgreens, 4547 Hiawatha Ave: Windows smashed, some looting
Walgreens, 4323 Chicago Ave: Windows, door damaged, security in place at 2:30pm Thursday
Walgreens, 627 W Broadway Ave: Fire damage
Walgreens, 200 W Lake St: Many broken windows, entry smashed, apparent looting, extensive fire damage
Walgreens, 2650 Hennepin Ave: Property damage
Wells Fargo, 2218 E Lake St: Fire and property damage
Wells Fargo, 3030 Nicollet Ave: Destroyed by fire
Wendy's, 2931 26th Ave S: Looted, fire damage
Whiskey Junction, 901 Cedar Ave: Looting, broken windows
White Castle, 100 W Lake St: All windows broken, property damage
Xcel Energy, 404 Nicollet Mall: Smashed windows and graffiti
Yuan Yuan, 1010 W Broadway Ave: Broken windows, property damage
Zipps Liquors, 2618 E Franklin Ave: Windows/doors broken, looting


In St. Paul
7-Mile Sportwear, 590 University Ave W: Property damage, looting
America's Best Contacts & Eyeglasses, 1360 University Ave W: Graffiti, property damage
Ananya Dance Theatre, 1197 University Ave W: Property damage
Big Top Liquors, 1544 University Ave W: Property damage
Bole Ethiopian Restaurant, 490 N Syndicate St: Fire, property damage
Boost Mobile, 1499 University Ave W: Fire damage
BP, 1347 University Ave W: Property damage
Cub Foods, 2197 Old Hudson Rd: Looting
CVS, 1300 University Ave W: Store damage
Discount Tire, 1350 University Ave W: Property damage
DTLR, 1515 University Ave W: Looting
Enterprise Rent-A-Car, 1161 University Ave W: Fire damage
Fire 'N' Ice Chicken, 600 University Ave W: Property damage
First Grand Avenue Liquor Store, 918 Grand Ave: Property damage, looting


Foot Locker, 1484 University Ave W: Extensive fire damage
Furniture Barn, 1389 University Ave W: Heavily looted
GameStop, 1484 University Ave W: Substantial fire damage, looting
Golden Treasures jewelry store, 805 Grand Ave: Looting, property damage
Goodwill, 1239 University Ave W: Windows smashed
Great Clips, 1474 University Ave W: Extensive fire damage
Great Health Nutrition, 1360 University Ave W: Looting
Leeann Chin, 1360 University Ave W: Property damage
Liquor Barrel, 665 7th St W: Looting, property damage
Lloyd's Pharmacy, 720 Snelling Ave N: Heavy fire damage
Lululemon, 870 Grand Ave: Looting, property damage
maX it PAWN, 1519 University Ave W: Looting
Midway Tobacco Outlet Plus, 1418 University Ave W: Property damage
NAPA Auto Parts, 1271 University Ave W: Heavy fire damage


Noodles and Co., 470 Hamline Ave N: Windows smashed
O'Reilly Auto Parts, 448 Lexington Pkwy N: Fire, property damage
Peking Garden, 1488 University Ave W: Property damage
R.F. Moeller Jeweler, 2065 Ford Pkwy: Looting
Speedway, 970 University Ave W: Fire, property damage
Speedway, 2051 Grand Ave: Extensive fire damage
Sports Dome, 1505 University Ave W: Fire damage, looting
Springboard for the Arts, 262 University Ave W: Fire and property damage
Sprint Store, 1360 University Ave N: Property damage, looting
T-Mobile, 878 Arcade St: Property damage, looting
Target, 1300 University Ave W: Some looting
TCF Bank, 459 Lexington Pkwy N: Property damage
The Fixery, 760 Cleveland Ave S: Property damage
The Vitamin Shoppe, 472 Hamline Ave N: Property damage
TJ Maxx, 1410 University Ave W: Looting
To New York, 1486 University Ave W: Property damage
Turf Club, 1601 University Ave W: Looted, flooded by sprinkler damage
Verizon , 474 Hamline Ave N: Property damage
Walgreens, 1585 Randolph Ave: Fire, property damage


In Roseville
Pawn America, 1715 Rice St: Police received reports of looting
Rosedale Center, 1595 MN-36: Police received reports of looting
Target, 1515 County B Rd W: Police received reports of looting
Walmart, 1960 Twin Lakes Pkwy: Police received reports of looting
 
Go express your concerns at the next protest, riot. That's what they're all about at this point, yes?

1. They’ve transcended protests and almost certainly guarantee violence at this point. The cause and hearthbreak of the root has been lost in the noise of criminal opportunism and hate. That’s a tragedy.

2. I’m not defending these people I mentioned above, I’m stating that my take on this exact video/situation is wrong. I sometimes agree with the police, I sometimes don’t. I don’t pick a permanent side, I just state what I believe.
 
I agree with @J.

When does personal freedom end and begin at this point. If this was about guns, and they were passing down laws because 'the room was bad'. How many of you here would be ok with doing that?

Do I understand where those Guard and LEOs are coming from? Yeah. But that doesn't mean you can just attack me on my private property when I'm not doing anything illegal.
 
Caught on video paying people, providing material to destroy property, and directing the violence.


I'm seeing lots of stuff on social media about "white dudes keep making it worse", and this video is more examples of that.

ANTIFA, Anarchists, White Supremacists, and Boog Boys are all out smashing shit to try and make the protests turn into riots and the riots turn into bloodbaths so Americans will finally "rise up for (goals) of the group".
 
Living here, I have absolutely no issues with the police response with paintball. Context is key.

We've had 4 days of serious unrest. There has been no law enforcement presence up until yesterday. Curfew was implemented and finally being enforced after huge community outcry. They live an area that was one of the epicenters for unrest. They were warned multiple times in no uncertain terms to get inside. Instead, they choose to stand there with their cellphones shooting video.

So, they got hit by a paintball. It served it's purpose and they'll be just fine. Guess what, this show of force finally was effective in helping restore order last night. Posting the video is a bit of a baiting move.
 
Living here, I have absolutely no issues with the paintball thing. Context is key.

We've had 4 days if serious unrest. There has been no law enforcement presence up until yesterday. Curfew was implemented and finally being enforced after huge community outcry. They live an area that was one of the epicenters for unrest. They were warned multiple times in no uncertain terms to get inside. Instead, they choose to stand there with their cellphones shooting video.

So, they got hit by a paintball. It served ot's purpose and they'll be just fine. Guess what, this show of force finally was effective in helping restore order last night. Posting the video is a bit of a baiting move.

I still fail to see in what way these people on their property were inciting disorder or breaking the law. I in no way am defending those who are actually destroying the community but there was no reason for force in my opinion.

The video isn’t baiting, it’s documention of an event that took place and it’s their constitutional freedom to share what occurred.
 
You mean it can't be both?

It could, but in this video from start to finish they do not attack the police or guard physically or verbally in any way. They ignore an unlawful order while recording from private property. They shared it online which I’m glad they did because not everything the police do is right, not everything the citizen does is right, but if I was one of the people in that video I would share it as well.
 
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