National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion (please review page 1)
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I agree with @J.
When does personal freedom end and begin at this point. If this was about guns, and they were passing down laws because 'the room was bad'. How many of you here would be ok with doing that?
Do I understand where those Guard and LEOs are coming from? Yeah. But that doesn't mean you can just attack me on my private property when I'm not doing anything illegal.
When does personal freedom end and begin at this point. If this was about guns, and they were passing down laws because 'the room was bad'. How many of you here would be ok with doing that?
Do I understand where those Guard and LEOs are coming from? Yeah. But that doesn't mean you can just attack me on my private property when I'm not doing anything illegal.
I'm seeing lots of stuff on social media about "white dudes keep making it worse", and this video is more examples of that.
ANTIFA, Anarchists, White Supremacists, and Boog Boys are all out smashing shit to try and make the protests turn into riots and the riots turn into bloodbaths so Americans will finally "rise up for (goals) of the group".
ThunderHorse
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Ok, so I just counted, they were ordered to get inside 9 times. They did not.
J.
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What law were they breaking?
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J.
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Every report and official release in regards to curfew, only restricts you to your home. No mention of being forced indoors.
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Living here, I have absolutely no issues with the police response with paintball. Context is key.
We've had 4 days of serious unrest. There has been no law enforcement presence up until yesterday. Curfew was implemented and finally being enforced after huge community outcry. They live an area that was one of the epicenters for unrest. They were warned multiple times in no uncertain terms to get inside. Instead, they choose to stand there with their cellphones shooting video.
So, they got hit by a paintball. It served it's purpose and they'll be just fine. Guess what, this show of force finally was effective in helping restore order last night. Posting the video is a bit of a baiting move.
We've had 4 days of serious unrest. There has been no law enforcement presence up until yesterday. Curfew was implemented and finally being enforced after huge community outcry. They live an area that was one of the epicenters for unrest. They were warned multiple times in no uncertain terms to get inside. Instead, they choose to stand there with their cellphones shooting video.
So, they got hit by a paintball. It served it's purpose and they'll be just fine. Guess what, this show of force finally was effective in helping restore order last night. Posting the video is a bit of a baiting move.
J.
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I still fail to see in what way these people on their property were inciting disorder or breaking the law. I in no way am defending those who are actually destroying the community but there was no reason for force in my opinion.
The video isn’t baiting, it’s documention of an event that took place and it’s their constitutional freedom to share what occurred.
Florida173
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Y'all in here defending curfews and police crackdowns in the name of "community" but called most of the stay at home orders unconstitutional and infringing on rights.
So which is it?
Dont pick and choose which government suppression is ok and which one isn't.
Either be about it or not.
So which is it?
Dont pick and choose which government suppression is ok and which one isn't.
Either be about it or not.
J.
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It could, but in this video from start to finish they do not attack the police or guard physically or verbally in any way. They ignore an unlawful order while recording from private property. They shared it online which I’m glad they did because not everything the police do is right, not everything the citizen does is right, but if I was one of the people in that video I would share it as well.
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I can't help you out if you don't get it. Watch news clips or review this thread the past several days.
There was a strong outcry for law enforcement to take a dominant position to restore order. They needed to and they finally did. Now, they want to criticize it? Sorry, but fuck off.
These people wanted to stand around and take video, like many others. They're part of the problem at this point. They were given a direct order to go inside multiple times. They thought it was a joke like the previous 4 nights, so they ignored it. Guess, what our patience for the bullshit has passed.
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Apples and oranges, brother, and you know it.
Explain to me why.
Both were done in the name of "community safety".
One is just something you can see.
We should never allow our rights to go out the window, simply because we agree/disagree with the methods by which that happens.
Okay. Let the unrest continue.
ThunderHorse
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Not sure how these are not mutually exclusive. Unless you're good with your city burning next?
J.
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Where in the video did they criticize the police?
Where in this video, what I am specifically talking about, did they criticize the police or guard?
In what America are we where we can call for action but if it is implemented wrongly at times we can’t criticize it?
How is standing around on private property following the curfew and recording part of the problem?
I’ve read this entire thread, I am well up to date on what’s occurring, I have people in my hometown who are threatened right now by violent riots in places I grew up. I get it, I don’t need your help “getting it”.
I asked if someone could defend this specific action, and I have yet to see that. I’m willing to hear out anyone, but I look at this video and immediately think of how disproportionate force is what got us here in the first place.
Cop in Cincinnati got shot. His helmet saved his life.
And full clarity;
I make these comments as someone who fully understands that our rights are not unlimited, and that we need to have the ability to regulate actions.
but if you allow overreach because you agree with it in that instance you've allowed overreach in all instances.
I make these comments as someone who fully understands that our rights are not unlimited, and that we need to have the ability to regulate actions.
but if you allow overreach because you agree with it in that instance you've allowed overreach in all instances.
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