National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion (please review page 1)

[J.]

@Polar Bear In the same spirit of your post. There’s enough divide and hate in this country to fill up a million forums, and it does.

SS is above that, and the thoughtful discussion we have here I believe matters. Most of us have sacrificed for this nation and want nothing more than to see it prosper. There is so much good that is unseen and deserve our attention and focus.

I might have my opinion but I can unequivocally say I respect all of yours and take them to heart.

 

[Kraut783]

FPS Police Officer killed last night in Oakland....Rest in Peace Brother.

Federal Officer Killed in Shooting Outside Oakland Courthouse

Officer Dave Underwood

 

[Marauder06]

@Polar Bear In the same spirit of your post. There’s enough divide and hate in this country to fill up a million forums, and it does.

SS is above that, and the thoughtful discussion we have here I believe matters. Most of us have sacrificed for this nation and want nothing more than to see it prosper. There is so much good that is unseen and deserve our attention and focus.

I might have my option but I can unequivocally say I respect all of yours and take them to heart.

This is exactly the perspective our site, and our country, needs. Thank you for posting this.

 

[Marauder06]

Domestic terrorism (Title 18, US Code):
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title18-chapter113B&edition=prelim


(5) the term "domestic terrorism" means activities that—

(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;

(B) appear to be intended—

(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;

(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or

(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and

(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States;

 

[RackMaster]

Definitely questions need answered.

Former NYPD commissioner: FBI needs to look into who is funding these riots and domestic terrorism

 

[Ooh-Rah]

Driving towards 3rd Prct.
pics to follow.

 

[Salt USMC]

Definitely questions need answered.

Former NYPD commissioner: FBI needs to look into who is funding these riots and domestic terrorism

Wrong questions to be asking. A better question would be “What can departments do better to serve the community and prevent these occurrences in the future?”

 

[J.]

Wrong questions to be asking. A better question would be “What can departments do better to serve the community and prevent these occurrences in the future?”

America has a habitual issue with experiencing crisis and focusing on the wrong thing.

 

[Marauder06]

Definitely questions need answered.

Former NYPD commissioner: FBI needs to look into who is funding these riots and domestic terrorism

Wrong questions to be asking. A better question would be “What can departments do better to serve the community and prevent these occurrences in the future?”

Those two things are not mutually exclusive and should be worked in parallel. However, the former is currently more urgent.

 

[Florida173]

Wrong questions to be asking. A better question would be “What can departments do better to serve the community and prevent these occurrences in the future?”

Better question maybe at a local community level where they may be experiencing this, but why disparage the interest in a possible external funding of rioting?

 

[J.]

Those two things are not mutually exclusive and should be worked in parallel. However, the former is currently more urgent.

They should be in parallel, but in a media sense they might not be. I hope once this ends that the media focuses on the roots and not the stems. That might be hopeful wishing on my part, but it is what this country needs to work on.

 

[Kraut783]

Every community is different, there isn't any magic flow chart. You can work for years and finally get a great relationship with the community, then one thing can ruin it...and you have to define what a community is.....many different factions make up a community...it's hard to make everyone happy.

There is no "magic bullet" so to speak....

It doesn't help when social media and the media itself get people into a frenzy....

 

[J.]

Every community is different, there isn't any magic flow chart. You can work for years and finally get a great relationship with the community, then one thing can ruin it...and you have to define what a community is.....many different factions make up a community...it's hard to make everyone happy.

There is no "magic bullet" so to speak....

It doesn't help when social media and the media itself get people into a frenzy....

Reminds of the saying, “Respect takes years to earn and seconds to lose.”

 

[Salt USMC]

Better question maybe at a local community level where they may be experiencing this, but why disparage the interest in a possible evergreens funding of rioting?

Because I can guarantee you that the latter will be ignored for the former. What happens when the FBI finds out who coordinated these events? They’re gonna pat themselves on the back and declare “Mission Accomplished”. Nothing will have been learned, and the next time the country experiences mass protests in response to police brutality you’ll have Kerik asking “How much coordination does BLM have with ISIS?”

 

[Florida173]

Because I can guarantee you that the latter will be ignored for the former. What happens when the FBI finds out who coordinated these events? They’re gonna pat themselves on the back and declare “Mission Accomplished”. Nothing will have been learned, and the next time the country experiences mass protests in response to police brutality you’ll have Kerik asking “How much coordination does BLM have with ISIS?”

I can't agree with your logic here. They are two entirely different issues. Both can be looked at through the federal and state levels.

 

[SaintKP]

Because I can guarantee you that the latter will be ignored for the former. What happens when the FBI finds out who coordinated these events? They’re gonna pat themselves on the back and declare “Mission Accomplished”. Nothing will have been learned, and the next time the country experiences mass protests in response to police brutality you’ll have Kerik asking “How much coordination does BLM have with ISIS?”

I want to believe that we as a Nation will move on from this and have more of an understanding and appreciation for one another. But as was stated we are terrible at thinking in the short term and remembering the past

 

[Salt USMC]

I can't agree with your logic here. They are two entirely different issues. Both can be looked at through the federal and state levels.

I hope so, but as you can tell I’m pretty cynical on this issue

 

[DA SWO]

Thanks, I’ll read it now.

While I do, let me ask you how you can justify what occurred in that video as proportional force? Isn’t disproportionate force exactly how this all started? I’m interested to see where you’re coming from on this as your initial response to the video seems pretty apathetic to fellow Americans being assaulted unjustly by law enforcement.

Here’s the info I have been looking for if anyone is interested. It seems they’re threatening misdemeanor and arrest to breaking the curfew. Fair enough.

Still haven’t gotten a solid explanation as to how assaulting the citizens on their porch is justified. Further up on this MN FAQ page it states law enforcement are supposed to inquire on why you are breaking these rules.

Me having met Americans before, I can more than assume most don’t know this exact rule. A police officer telling me to go inside then shooting at me with a less lethal doesn’t explain anything. At my home, on my property, telling me what to do smells grossly unconstitutional.

https://dps.mn.gov/macc/Pages/faq.aspx

Can I be outside my house (on my property) after 8 p.m. and before 6 a.m.?


Yes. You can be on your porch, yard, patio, etc., but if a law enforcement officer or other public safety official asks you to go inside, or take any other action, you must follow the instruction.

Was actually coming back here to post this, so I change my mind. The Cop that ordered the shot to be fired was wrong, as was the cops who shot.

FPS Police Officer killed last night in Oakland....Rest in Peace Brother.

Federal Officer Killed in Shooting Outside Oakland Courthouse

Officer Dave Underwood
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My oldest does this for another Federal Agency (IRS). Just hops his area stays cold.

 

[ThunderHorse]

Oh, you don't like that they're coming after your house? Well you're literally inciting violence. Dear sportsball people, STFU.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1267133696949264387

 

[Ooh-Rah]

Driving towards 3rd Prct.
pics to follow.

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