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Raiding animal shelters and subsequently killing puppies is now in the riot game. 
Raiding animal shelters and subsequently killing puppies is now in the riot game.
Fucking savages. Some piece of shit threw gas on a horse trailer and set it on fire with horses in it. And the driver had his kids in the back seat of the truck.
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It was posted earlier that AG Ellison has taken over lead in the case of George Floyd. We've covered why many view this as problematic.
Well, now, Ellison, who again has no experience as a prosecutor, never been a courtroom attorney, and up until at least a couple years ago didn't have a valid license to even practice law (unclear if he's since met the requirements), has decided to elevate the charges against Chauvin to second degree murder. Here's the Minnesota statute (scroll left and right for first and third degree criteria):
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.19
Based on what we've seen, and we all know there's always more to the story, I don't see how Chauvin's actions meet the criteria for second degree. Third degree was the initial charge, along with manslaughter. I could see those sticking.
This case has become a political tool by a political activist and it may very well jeopardize what should be a slam dunk conviction.
Well, now, Ellison, who again has no experience as a prosecutor, never been a courtroom attorney, and up until at least a couple years ago didn't have a valid license to even practice law (unclear if he's since met the requirements), has decided to elevate the charges against Chauvin to second degree murder. Here's the Minnesota statute (scroll left and right for first and third degree criteria):
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.19
Based on what we've seen, and we all know there's always more to the story, I don't see how Chauvin's actions meet the criteria for second degree. Third degree was the initial charge, along with manslaughter. I could see those sticking.
This case has become a political tool by a political activist and it may very well jeopardize what should be a slam dunk conviction.
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The officer kneeled on his neck while the man begged for air, for nearly 10 minutes. He was completely indifferent to the pleas - it is absolutely 2nd degree.
I cannot stand Ellifson, but “everybody” knew it would be changed to 2nd degree eventually. The initial 3rd degree was so that the state could get him charged.
Second degree murder is generally defined as intentional murder that lacks premeditation, is intended to only cause bodily harm, and demonstrates an extreme indifference to human life. The exact legal definition of this crime will vary by jurisdiction.
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Disagree. This is the actual MN statute that applies (you can change to a spoiler tag if that's more appropriate)
The only one that could maybe fit is Subd 2 (1) and that may be a stretch since in only applies if the death occurs during the commission of another felony. That's probably a pretty big hurdle in this scenario. What other felony was being committed? What other part of the statute do you think fits? I also hear people saying it shod be elevated tl first degree, but they're morons. We actually have to follow and prove the violation.Minnesota Statute 609.19 said:
If you look 609.195, murder in the third degree, which is what Freeman convicted Noor on and what he initially sought here, that fits.
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I am not a lawyer, but even I could prove 2nd degree just by showing the tape to a jury. That cop meant to kill that man, or at a minor did not care if he killed him . Add in the victims audible cries for help, the officer not struggling to keep the victim restrained, and the fact that they knew each other?
The fact that they knew each other is a BIG deal.
The fact that they knew each other is a BIG deal.
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Zero evidence so far that they actually knew each other. They worked at the same place at some point but even the nightclub owner stated it's unlikely they know each other; they worked at different times.
If I'm objective, and I try to be, I could not tell you Chauvin intended to kill Floyd. I think he was an asshole and moron in his application of force but do I think he knowingly tried to kill him while being filmed? I can't quite get there based on what I've seen so far. Perhaps there's other evidence that we don't know about.
Again, to convict on 2nd degree, there has to be another felony. What is the co-contributing felony? 3rd degree doesn't require this and seems to fit.
Moreover, I strongly suspect Chauvin's attorney to claim inability to get fair trail and look for change of venue. We'll see what happens.
Don’t be to sure of that. Cop here last year got acquitted. but they where going 1st....dumb choice
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Felony assault is what the prosecution is calling the 2nd felony.
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Yep, was just going to post the same. Good luck with that.
Sadly, this is quickly becoming a political; an opportunistic one for Ellison. Why else would anyone with absolutely no experience be placed as the lead.
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There’s enough evidence for a conviction, enough raw footage to charge individuals with looting/disorder, but what will all this look like in six months? As I’m led to believe there are more people legitimately protesting on issues; poverty, housing etc. than a small group of rabble rousers, so what will change look like? Will cops get more resources? Will individual states listen & act on what their constituents want?
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Legitimacy for the protest/riots might be getting lost, but I can't imagine we get through this without some major push for change in law enforcement, whatever that may be.
Remember, for every video of rioters doing shit, there's a video of officers shoving down a man with a cane, macing a woman just walking with her groceries, or other things that (out of context or otherwise) sours the community on police
That’s another question, will this lead to more infections? This is Day 8 (?) & C-19 take 14 days to reveal itself.
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Turns out that the both the police and NG shoot was very legit and NOT what was told to us by the usual liars:
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The POTUS has done more to help minorities than any other recent previous president, so I don't know where the federal/global law enforcement change has to occur. It's all predicated on a narrative that lots of people don't care, and even more have zero capacity to change. I mean.. putting up that black box on your social media yesterday is doing wonders I'm sure
There was an NAACP letter put out that had some requests, but I can't seem to find it. Off the top of my head, they asked for;
Ban to using neck restraints and chokeholds
Demilitarization of police departments and equipment
National level guidelines for what police escalation of force should looks like
Make public all officer documentation regarding complaints, retraining, and certifications
The establishment of community review boards
Citation wanted on the POTUS aspect of your comment, but we can discuss that in the politics thread if you'd like.
I think any system can improve, even if your perfectly fine with where it is. We can get into the finer points of the specifics of what some groups (see my NAACP post) are asking for, and see if maybe those are something that might actually help improve policing and community relations.
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