National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion (please review page 1)

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I suggest stop thinking you can put these groups conveniently into your understanding of a two party political system. Antifa is actively trying to take down capitalism and the foundation of our republic. There's nothing democrat/republican about that.

Let me be clearer; I'm not making that statement in regards to our two party system, but more along the larger political spectrum line.

 

[RackMaster]

Let me be clearer; I'm not making that statement in regards to our two party system, but more along the larger political spectrum line.

We're dealing with anarchists and while the common ones lean left, they are across a spectrum.

 

[GOTWA]

Thanks you.

I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to explain your view on that.

For myself, being on Instagram a bunch, I'd equate the boog as being the new hip term for the 3%/3 percenter movement, but said more in jest than anything. The boog certainly isn't the polar opposite of ANTIFA, not in numbers, actions, or motive.

 

[Florida173]

 

[GOTWA]

George Washington statue toppled by protesters in Portland, Oregon

Some people just want to see the world burn.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

A worthwhile video to watch. This past week I feel like I am peeling back The Matrix -

 

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The campaign also ran ads using the exact same copy text, but with stop signs and exclamation points.

Last I checked, those weren't ANTIFA symbols.

So if the Red Triangles were used as imagery because they represent ANTIFA(mostly outside the US it seems) why not also run ads with three arrows or the Red Flag Black Flag imagery? Both of those are much more used and recognized than a red triangle within the United States.

 

[Jaknight]

Based on my internet research across reddit,4chan and the like The Boogaloo is a term for what many consider to be the inevitable war over gun control there is no overall political goal or agenda save don’t touch our guns it’s made up of everyone from Right wingers to Social anarchists. They are most likely to fight each other as well as the government. Antifa is mainly made up of people with the same ideological goals your not gonna see a right winger being Antifa but you would see a socialist spouting Boogaloo talk

 

[Sigaba]

The community bitches, well when you act like animals, you get treated like a animal. You don’t have nice things. Still don’t have a grocery store.

The relationship between civil disturbances and a lack of economic development years later is not always linear. The obstacles to development can center around the red tape of municipal code (like minimum parking requirements) and also to property owners biding their time until they can invest in a development that will yield a higher ROI.

Local opposition to development can be a matter of NIMBYism and/or concerns over gentrification.

 

[RackMaster]

This JRE podcast has the best analysis of the current situation.

 

[Sigaba]

FWIW, an example of how the re-allocation of police funding could work.

Currently, a county in California has a parking problem that is impacting economic development. Because citations are issued by law enforcement, tickets can only be issued by sworn officers. As most of these officers have career aspirations beyond parking, the act of enforcement is not a priority.

Were funds reallocated, the enforcement could be handled at a lower cost to the county and likely be more effective. While the reallocation might mean fewer law enforcement FTEs in the short term, the increased pace of economic development would lead to more tax revenue and jobs for community members (and, arguably, less crime).

 

[RackMaster]

And now the abolishment of the Toronto Police.

VIDEOS: Protesters Call For Abolishing Toronto Police

 

[ThunderHorse]

The relationship between civil disturbances and a lack of economic development years later is not always linear. The obstacles to development can center around the red tape of municipal code (like minimum parking requirements) and also to property owners biding their time until they can invest in a development that will yield a higher ROI.

Local opposition to development can be a matter of NIMBYism and/or concerns over gentrification.

Sorry, I wholly disagree. Significant swaths of Los Angeles got zero economic development for over a decade following the Rodney King riots. Companies don't come back. And guess who was the first company to go into many of these communities before the hippy coffee shops? WalMart. They bitched about WalMart because a certain segment of the media demonized WalMarts business practices. Even if there wasn't red tape, it would take a company years before they would return to a city that was burnt to a crisp.

 

[Florida173]

Talk about getting ratio'd. Some pretty funny responses in there

https://twitter.com/x/status/1274007783864627201

 

[ThunderHorse]

Keep it classy Portland:

George Washington statue toppled by protesters in Portland, Oregon

Fuck these people, seriously. These people are not leading.

NY City Council Members Call for Thomas Jefferson Statue To Be Removed From City Hall

This current episode of the TimCast is intense. "The right has a line, the left doesn't."

 

[Kaldak]

Talk about getting ratio'd. Some pretty funny responses in there


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https://twitter.com/x/status/1274007783864627201

Why do I care about what the UN thinks about this? Asking as a member, not as staff.

 

[Rabid Badger]

So honest question; is BLM a loose movement of groups with somewhat similar goals or an organized operation?(POST#948)

Is this a rhetorical question - or an HONEST question? 50 pages in and you ask this question? 3yrs of BLM, burning, rioting, protesting, Ferguson, well proven coordination, donations, websites, foundations, etc, etc... Where have you been?

15yrs SF may have made me too cynical but I'm one of those that doesn't believe that NO question is a DUMB question. This one ranks right on up there as unbelievably naive.

I am of the same general mindset here of understanding that the fringe does not represent the majority.

And WHAT IS IT that you do as SOF SUPPORT?


What is a fringe person?
The definition of fringe is someone or something at the edge. An example of fringe is someone who doesn't fit in with the mainstream culture but who is unconventional like punk rock or grunge. An example of fringe is the edge of the television reception area

YOU DECIDE:
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[757]

One of my Antifa friends posted this shortly after Floyd's death on social media. Seems useful to the discussion, so here it is.



"Evidently Hampton Roads has either forgotten, or never paid enough attention to organizers to learn in the first place, that #BlackLivesMatter757/BLM757 is run by a transphobic and misogynistic scammer who has worked with white supremacists (his logo used to feature the 3%ers symbol as well), had a Black woman arrested for calling him out, and threatened the lives and livelihoods of Black women. He has spent 3 years lying about his involvement in anti-fascist and anti-racist organizing and will pocket any money you give him. I have personally been burned by his lies and he threatened me too, but that's not the important thing here. I want you all to stay in the streets and keep fighting, but do NOT get taken in by this guy again! Don't give him any more credibility, headlines, or press (looking at you, Three Ships Coffee). He's dangerous and will escalate actions or switch sides to stand with the cops at will, whatever gets him more headlines. There are plenty of other organizers still in Hampton Roads and all over VA who will back me up on this."
- Casey Copeland

 

[Kraut783]

FBI arrests of protestors based on social media posts worry legal experts

 

[Ooh-Rah]

Everybody chill for a few minutes....sheesh.